Researchers' experiences of patient & public involvement
Feelings about involvement and emotional impact
Patient and public involvement can be an emotional experience for both the people who get involved and the researchers. Researchers’ feelings about involvement will affect how readily they adopt it as part of their normal practices and how they go about it.
Positive experiences
A common theme in the interviews with researchers was how enjoyable and rewarding involvement could be. They talked about feeling energised, inspired and enthused, having fun, and feeling it made their research more worthwhile, relevant, and interesting. Sergio said, “And most of all it has been a pleasure.”
Involving people ‘makes you feel good about what you do’. Stuart finds it moving, enjoyable and useful.
Involving people ‘makes you feel good about what you do’. Stuart finds it moving, enjoyable and useful.
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And indeed I have to say that I spoke to you earlier about having had some of the members of our family faculty from, you know, [research unit] spontaneously talking at a, a meeting with trustees from the charity which moved me to tears because of the positive things that they said. And that makes you feel good about your life, yeah.
Involving people ‘makes doing the research far more fun’ and ‘makes it all very real and meaningful’.
Involving people ‘makes doing the research far more fun’ and ‘makes it all very real and meaningful’.
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I think families like working with us because we try and make it a convivial environment; we have a good laugh and treat them as experts in their own lives and -
So I think there's a big impact for us, it makes it all very real and meaningful and, like I say, fun. The most amazing impact is seeing how; hearing some of our parents talk about their experience of being involved with us. And that’s very moving really because they’ve often been quite disempowered through becoming parents of disabled children and they had significant struggles and hearing them talk in presentations or even on TV recently, you know, about how being involved in research has really helped give them their self-confidence and being, you know, feeling like they make a difference to – for the benefit of other families and, you know, it's amazing.
Fiona finds involvement ‘a very rich part of my life’ and never stressful.
Fiona finds involvement ‘a very rich part of my life’ and never stressful.
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No. No, I suppose I would get stressed about PPI if somebody was in my face with totally the opposite attitude to me. And I would just tell them to go and get lost because I don't have time for those sort of conversations anymore. But no, I've never been stressed about PPI and I really look forward to the meetings that I have, because do you know what? We always have a laugh, and I don't have a laugh with work colleagues as much as I do with those individuals, so that's actually a very rich part of my life.
At the same time, researchers could also find it ‘stressful’, ‘draining’ and ‘exhausting’. Catherine said it could be ‘nerve-wracking’, Alison described ‘occasions where I’ve been made angry or frustrated’, and Vanessa commented, ‘It is emotionally draining… sometimes it’s just challenging being challenged.’ There were several reasons why it might feel draining and tiring, including anxiety about not doing it well; dealing with tensions and conflict; feeling threatened or scared; and feeling personally responsible for the feelings and expectations of people getting involved.
Sarah A feels very responsible for the people who get involved and feels guilty if progress with the research isn’t as good as they hoped. It’s an ‘emotional burden’.
Sarah A feels very responsible for the people who get involved and feels guilty if progress with the research isn’t as good as they hoped. It’s an ‘emotional burden’.
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Yeah I think so. I think, I was saying just how I like the fact that my PPI partner is on at me to take this forward and to move forward and to do stuff with it. When I'm feeling like my 'To do list' is endless I don’t like that voice you know and it then feels, but it feels different to not be progressing as well with that as to not progress well with other projects – you know there's other projects that I, you know, need time throwing at them but it's kind of almost a strategic thing and it's, "Oh that needs that and that needs that," whereas this feels like, it feels a bit more personal because there is a person attached to it and, you know, I feel quite guilty sometimes if I'm not spending time on it, or feel guilty like, oh have I, you know have I not done the right expectation management, that you know, does she think this definitely is going to get funded when it isn’t and a lot of the time I think that’s inaccurate, I think actually she's very pragmatic about things and but it is a bigger pressure I think, and that I don’t think gets acknowledged at all.
And that again I'd almost feel a bit daft kind of, you know, if you're sitting there talking about, “OK, so I need to do this for my CV and this for my CV”, and you go, “Well, PPI will look good on my CV”, but also I just feel really bad about it you know, that sounds a bit silly or I don’t think that’s going to sell it to, you know, my supervisors. But that’s why ideally I think I would like for it to be acknowledged that, you know, maybe it's a good thing that I'm trying to continue this relationship with this person; maybe it's a good thing that I'm trying to sustain that involvement and that collaboration and not just say, "Well you know my time on this is done so I'm going to leave you now." And I think you feel, I think I now feel a responsibility as well to people who I've done PPI with that then if they go and do PPI with another group I worry that group isn’t going to you know treat them right almost which sounds really silly but you sort of feel this responsibility but, you know, they're not going to collaborate them in this way or they're not going to make sure they pay their finances on time and stuff like this and so you end up then feeling responsible for them in a way that I wouldn’t feel responsible for a colleague on another project going to another team.
Like I say I don’t think that’s intrinsically a bad thing. I think there are elements of that that are good. You know ideally I like having that more personal relationship but yes it does have a certain sort of emotional burden to it I guess which I don’t think gets acknowledged or I don’t think they really get time to sort of explore that. But, you know.
Stuart has learned you have to be prepared to manage difficult conversations when you don’t agree with people, and to accept compromise.
Stuart has learned you have to be prepared to manage difficult conversations when you don’t agree with people, and to accept compromise.
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People may have unrealistic expectations and may want to talk about topics that are emotionally important to them but not relevant for the research. Valerie finds managing this difficult.
People may have unrealistic expectations and may want to talk about topics that are emotionally important to them but not relevant for the research. Valerie finds managing this difficult.
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Well personally as a complete and utter control freak yeah it's difficult. It is difficult but it makes perfect sense and I think you can't argue with the basic logic behind the idea of its right to let people have a say in research about them. And it's going to be better research – it's going to be more relevant and people will take part in it, you know. So although we're kind of maybe not used to thinking along the lines of letting other people design research for us, you know, you can't argue with the sense of doing it and the rightness of doing it. But I think we do, we don’t just kind of throw it up in the air and it's a free for all because we do try to be quite clear with the families that we work with and the difficulties of getting research funded and how long it takes to, not only to do research, but to even get money to do research. So we do, from the start, try to, again it's that expression ‘manage expectations’. But, be up front and kind of transparent with people about like the likelihood of their idea being even taken forward because it either doesn’t fit with our skill set here which is, you know, because there are a multitude of issues that are really important to the families and they are really important but we don’t have the skills or the capacity to even start thinking about going down that route. So we try to be really upfront about that and people, you know, there is stuff that is going to be more likely to get funded than others and there are certain ways of twisting the objectives to make them more appealing and it might not be quite what you had in mind but it's more likely to do something, you know.
So we just try to be really clear on that front and, so it's not just, I mean obviously everybody in the group we try to make it as equal as possible. So as researchers we still have our input to the ideas and the shape of the research and takes and, I think yeah but that, we try to kind of have guidance around the tangential conversations that go on around the table. But it can be, you know, it can be difficult because obviously you're, when you're talking about people's experiences on why these ideas are so important to them, these are really emotive topics for them and they're talking about their children and you sometimes have to say, "I know that’s important to you but it's not going anywhere, or it's not research, it's a service issue and we know the services are shit and I know that that’s not." And that’s one of the difficulties I think is not being able to do everything that people want.
One of the biggest areas of emotional impact for researchers was around listening to people’s stories, which could be moving, distressing and inspiring in equal measure. Chris described it as a ‘privileged insight’ and Sergio commented that, ‘First of all it humbles research; it keeps telling us that we've loftier topics here. Second, it allows people to appreciate that a patient is not a symptom.’ Although very senior researchers talked of their own emotional responses, several worried even more about the impact on younger, less experienced researchers, and those who are unused to patient contact. Kristin was concerned that focusing too much on individuals’ stories risked casting them as powerless victims, and felt researchers needed to ‘be a bit matter of fact about it’. She was more upset by learning about the inequity of the social care system, and the stress of managing group dynamics.
Researchers may feel upset listening to people’s stories, and scared that how they respond may come across either as too warm and patronising or too hard and distant.
Researchers may feel upset listening to people’s stories, and scared that how they respond may come across either as too warm and patronising or too hard and distant.
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No that’s a good question. Again there's this feeling threatened – I suppose that’s an emotion. But also perhaps not knowing how to manage someone else as well, or someone else's emotions. We talked, I can't remember who I was talking to this about but you know, I think you get quite a lot of experience of doing that with qualitative research because, you know, you see a lot of emotion. But I think, you know, for some people that’s quite, you know, alien and they're actually, you know, within their sort of, their sort of professional head on and, you know, they wouldn’t necessarily be able to cope with that. But I think, yes I suppose for researchers kind of, you know, and also the, 'Oh god am I doing the right thing? Am I, you know if I'm going to do this I should do it well; am I involving the right people?' So there's slight worry I guess. And then, you know, and actually, you know it's like any, when you do any research you might not realise how you're going to be affected by someone else's experience as well and whether it, you know, chimes something in yourself too. And I've certainly had that happen a few times.
Not with involvement but just with other, you know more qualitative work. So yeah, so I think, I think, I'm trying to think what else really but I think that’s probably it you know, sort of you know, the you know managing your emotions of your, you know, empathising, upset by the person, you know, who's telling the story. You know and also ensuring that, you know, your empathy is not perceived as patronising or, you know, there's all kinds of things like that as well so it's about how you... And also that you're not seen as hard as well so it's kind of a difficult balance to make really. So I think, yeah I think that’s a really tricky one because, you know, you're sort of. And I think that comes, that’s the problem because that comes with experience as well and actually people haven’t had that experience; then they can feel a bit, I don’t know, at sea really and a bit kind of scared by it. Yeah so there you go – scared, threatened [laughs]. All those lovely emotions. You know but also on the flipside, you know, if you can get something to work positive, you know that you feel that actually you're, you know, you're really hearing somebody as well you know. And for some people that’s not going to be a given but that will be for me so yeah, yeah.
Jo says PPI meetings can trigger unexpected emotional responses. Researchers feel a responsibility to take care of people and that can be ‘a very personal emotional cost’ for them too.
Jo says PPI meetings can trigger unexpected emotional responses. Researchers feel a responsibility to take care of people and that can be ‘a very personal emotional cost’ for them too.
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Yeah I think anything that involves working with, with patients and members of the public can have huge emotional consequences you know, it ceases to be an academic exercise you’re working with real people who, who can have incredibly and sometimes you don’t know you can involve people I’ve been in situations before where you just don’t know how something’s are going to pan out and something seemingly innocuous can just trigger something for somebody or, you know, and you, you have responsibility as such to take care of the people you’re working with and I think there is, that’s a very personal emotional cost because these aren’t other researchers, these are patients and members of the public. So yeah I think that can be quite difficult, I think you, on the one hand you feel a responsibility to those people in terms of delivering what you said you’d deliver but there’s also the kind of, the managing and holding of their expectations and their emotional responses to the process and dealing with things when things go wrong, dealing with thing when they go right, you know, all of those things, you know, ultimately you are going to illicit strong emotions in people, so I think it does actually. I think you just need to be aware of that, it’s not all the time and it’s not always negative but I think, you know, it can be a real roller-coaster.
Marian worries about some of her more junior researchers listening to difficult stories about pregnancy. They had some training about bereavement and emotions.
Marian worries about some of her more junior researchers listening to difficult stories about pregnancy. They had some training about bereavement and emotions.
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And I guess for me, because I can see some of the changes, so we've got I know of practical examples where the research that I've done has made a difference which should, even if I can't actually demonstrate it, should improve, you know should prevent people getting ill, and then you have to bear that in mind. I worry about some of my junior researchers; so you know I've had my family. Other of my researchers haven’t. And I do worry about them being exposed to their contact with PPI. And so they're only, they're not medically qualified, their only contact with childbirth experiences are this very extreme negative side of it. So it is interesting.
…So we've, so for the team on the half of the programme that I deal with where we deal with maternal deaths, we've had a whole session with a, in fact run by a group from the Foundation that deals with sudden infant deaths, essentially dealing with the some of the bereavement issues and sort of your own emotions and how you can get more support. But it is difficult, it is difficult particularly, as I say, for people who are not clinically trained so either nurses, midwives, doctors or other allied health professionals. It is hard and I guess I tend to, therefore, take more of the burden on myself because I guess I feel robust enough to be able to deal with those. So I hadn’t thought about PPI training in that respect for the researchers quite as formally as that, but that’s probably a good idea.
Kristin feels researchers need to ‘be a bit matter of fact’ and not get over-emotional about individual stories. She is more upset by the way the system operates against people.
Kristin feels researchers need to ‘be a bit matter of fact’ and not get over-emotional about individual stories. She is more upset by the way the system operates against people.
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I was prepared for that. I mean that’s why I wanted to involve this group but I don’t feel that those experiences defined those people. Of course it is sad to hear sad stories but I resist; I resent kind of putting them in a very sort of victim position. I mean these were people who were doing a systematic review and doing other stuff too. There was, you know, they were participating in life and I think it's very easy that I would; I mean I'm getting quite emotional now talking about that so I suppose there was some kind of emotional consequence about it but, yeah, yeah I think it's children and young people; young people often, you know and their trouble and all this kind of thing and children are hard work and - And it's going beyond those kinds of stereotypes and trying to go beyond the, yeah the power relationships there and seeing people for what they are, people. So of course it's distressing to hear about them having had difficult times but we didn’t focus on that; we didn’t focus on…
Yeah I think that’s mainly it, you know I get a little bit; I think it's a fair enough question but, I am very worried about coming across as someone that, you know, "Oh I was really nice to them," you know [laughs] or, "It was so difficult to listen to the stories." No, no it wasn’t like that at all. So that’s what I'm resenting; I think that’s why I'm getting passionate too…
But for me it was more, you know what's your experience of the system. And I think what I found most upsetting were those stories.
Because that’s what the research was related to. So when you looked after having a system kind of provide better for you or, yeh. But again I think, I think I was just very prepared; I just had no illusions, no illusions whatsoever. Yeah if you do this kind of work you sort of have to kind of be a bit matter of fact about it I think yeh. But there was, you know social workers have these kind of debrief sessions and stuff but I think I had them with the young people so our debriefing times if there were big conflicts or something and we sort of worked through them together rather than me kind of, obviously I'd come home and sort of tell my husband, "Oh my god," but I wouldn’t, you know it's all anonymised and stuff like that but, you know you still have some emotional things, but I think they were more related to group dynamics and I was trying to move forward and at times really struggling with that.
As these accounts suggest, there can be emotional consequences both for the researchers listening and for the patients sharing their experiences, and it is not always obvious what might prove to be an emotional issue. As Jo (above) said, ‘Something seemingly innocuous can just trigger something for somebody.’ Jim, who has experience both as a patient and carer adviser and as a research manager, said, ‘Somebody’s lived experience may come back and bite them.’ Both Marian (above) and Alice recommended some form of training to prepare researchers for dealing with these unanticipated situations. (See also ‘Training needs for involvement’). Marian suggested the need to support people who get involved was another reason why it was good to have several people involved, rather than just one or two. She had originally put some support mechanisms in place for a group of parents with difficult birth experiences, ‘but what’s actually happened is that they are getting the support from each other.’
Suzanne disagrees that the ‘best’ patient contributor is always one who can be unemotional. Emotion may be precisely what they bring – but it needs to be treated with sensitivity.
Suzanne disagrees that the ‘best’ patient contributor is always one who can be unemotional. Emotion may be precisely what they bring – but it needs to be treated with sensitivity.
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And I think it's sort of helping that. I think that’s a real issue, like helping those who are doing the involving to manage that but also, you know, if the person is upset let them be as well because actually they're there, you know, most of the time because they’ve had that particular experience. But for them if that’s not managed appropriately that can be a real downside. I'm not saying everyone's weeping and wailing, but you know what I mean, it's kind of, you know, realising the potential for that.
Jim is mostly at ease talking about his wife’s cancer but it can upset others listening to his story. Both researchers and patients need to be aware that emotions can suddenly surface.
Jim is mostly at ease talking about his wife’s cancer but it can upset others listening to his story. Both researchers and patients need to be aware that emotions can suddenly surface.
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So it is, I suppose it's something that’s different in a set of relationships that if you are involving people in research, or research management, because of their lived experience you have to be aware of the fact that lived experience might become rather raw and might make them upset. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen and you have to be sensitive to that, and that’s time for, you know time out and look after them.
And that’s; I've seen that happen with some of the; some of the researchers have co-researchers, where actually the co-researchers are fantastic at that. You know they're real advocates and they all just take time out and they will spend as long as it takes to help the person get through whatever issue happens to have arisen for them.
And that’s, and that’s an added colour to public involvement.
Alice recommends training in how to involve people, for whom the research may be a very emotional issue.
Alice recommends training in how to involve people, for whom the research may be a very emotional issue.
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In PPI?
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Yeah I think that would be good because without some kind of training I don’t know how you would, how you would decide to do things. Like there's so many things you can do wrong, you know, particularly this is people's lives. To me cancer is something I work with that having that in your life is a totally different thing. You know, childhood disability it was my work – to someone else it's their everyday, it's really emotional, a big issue for them so particularly this is everywhere in health research so I think you need some training in what to do kind of practically, like how you can integrate it effectively would be good, would be needed to ensure that people are actually, I say doing it right, but it's hard to say what is right but you know, if people aren’t wasting their time with PPI. But I think also some kind of training and dealing with people in those circumstances would be helpful. You know, that kind of empathy doesn’t come to everybody naturally and if something does go wrong on a practical point of view, to you oh it's just a bad day at work. But to somebody else it's their life and there's a lot at stake yeah.
Jim talked about some cases where people have been motivated to become researchers because of their own family experience. He knew of a young doctor who ‘lost his mother when he was young to cancer, which is why he’s become a palliative care doctor. He described it as "the fire in the belly".' Another researcher we talked to explained that she was very conscious that her own experience of having a disabled older brother ‘influences a lot of what I do.’ In ‘Representativeness and diversity of people who get involved’ we discuss the extent to which researchers feel they can or should share their own health experiences and feelings. A related issue is the frustration and unhappiness some researchers feel about some of the discourse around PPI that tends to cast them as unfeeling and inhuman.
The assumption that researchers are ‘robotic, unfeeling people’ unless they have patient involvement can feel a bit insulting.
The assumption that researchers are ‘robotic, unfeeling people’ unless they have patient involvement can feel a bit insulting.
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Kristin does not like the idea that ‘researchers are bad and people who are involved are good’. Involvement conferences can end up feeling ‘a bit researcher-bashing’.
Kristin does not like the idea that ‘researchers are bad and people who are involved are good’. Involvement conferences can end up feeling ‘a bit researcher-bashing’.
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Finally some researchers shared feelings of ambivalence about involving people. As noted in ‘reasons for involving people’ some felt pressure to do it because it was ‘trendy’, ‘fashionable’ and ‘politically correct’. Whilst it may be true that researchers are usually in a more powerful position than patients and the public, researchers can also feel disempowered and vulnerable, and unable to criticise involvement. Alison explained why she personally felt ambivalent.
Patient involvement can make you think differently even if the impact is not huge. But Alison sometimes feels under pressure to be more positive about it than she feels. She says ‘about sixty percent I want to do it.’
Patient involvement can make you think differently even if the impact is not huge. But Alison sometimes feels under pressure to be more positive about it than she feels. She says ‘about sixty percent I want to do it.’
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And occasionally there have been cases where someone's picked up on something, you go, "Ooh yeah good point I forgot to take account of that in this thing I've just written or..." So yeah there are certainly some examples of those things but not that many to be honest. But also I guess it gives you a sense of confidence that, if you’ve, in terms of interpretation of material and also, you know, writing up an information sheet or a plain English abstract or something, it is your people there to check it with and you think, 'OK they may not have changed many words, they may just have said it's fine…' but that’s a useful thing, that’s an endorsement.
Yeah so yeah I think don’t abandon it, that’s for sure for all my reservations.
And how much is it something that you want to do?
Mm about sixty percent I want to do it. The bits of me that don’t want to do it are the kind of, 'Oh god I've got to be polite to people when I’m not in the mood to be’ [laughs] – all that kind of stuff. And this sense of oh I've got to, there’s a word for it. When you're sort of smiling and endorsing one way of doing something and inside you're thinking, 'I know this is a waste of time,' or pretending something is true which isn’t, I feel really isn’t true and that’s, I'm giving you very mixed up response here aren’t I? But that, no on balance I think, 'Well kind of, it's a nice thing to do and it might make a bit of a difference but I don’t think it makes that much difference.' But the public message we have to sort of endorse and support is, 'it's terribly valuable and important and makes a massive difference.' So I think that to sort of disjunction between what I think inside and the kind of the public story, I feel uncomfortable with. So that’s one reason for, yeah the reason for my forty percent – oooh don’t make me do it.
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