Gout

Pain and ongoing symptoms from gout

Nearly everyone we spoke to felt that gout was intensely painful, although Peter and John Z both had aching joints rather than the extreme pain described by other people. People were often shocked at how bad the pain was. They described it as ‘unbearable’, ‘tear jerking’, ‘horrendous’, ‘excruciating’, ‘debilitating’, ‘indescribable’, ‘extreme’ and ‘unremitting’. Even people who believed that they had a high pain threshold found it hard to cope with. Jeff would not wish the pain on his worst enemy.

Ben recalled yelling out in pain because he was in agony. The pain was unlike anything he had felt before.

Ben recalled yelling out in pain because he was in agony. The pain was unlike anything he had felt before.

Age at interview: 34
Sex: Male
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The pain is unlike anything I have ever felt before in my life, particularly the gout attacks. I mean I remember lying in bed - we were watching TV and it just - they just come and I was just wailing in pain, you know, shouting out. It was just …

So did you find the pain sort of - was more intense at some points than others, then?

They’d just come and go, you know. You got them in the middle of the day, at night, but when they came it was absolute agony. Absolute agony.
Most people felt that the pain was ‘distinctive’ and not like any other pain that they’d had before. Many said that it was the worst pain they had ever had - even compared to heart attacks and broken bones or fractures. They believed it was a type of pain that they would never forget. Such high levels of pain were particularly worrying for people when they had their first attack. They did not know what was wrong and thought the pain could be caused by a life-threatening illness. Ivor believed that his first attack felt more painful than attacks he had later because he did not know what was causing it. (See ‘First symptoms and attacks of gout’).

Ray said gout was incredibly painful. It felt like someone stabbing a sharp knife into his big toe.

Ray said gout was incredibly painful. It felt like someone stabbing a sharp knife into his big toe.

Age at interview: 67
Sex: Male
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It’s just absolutely agony, you just go from feeling fine and then I suppose it’s as if somebody gets a really sharp knife and just stabs it in your big toe, and you virtually jump up and hop round [laughter] so yeah very, very painful. Incredibly painful.

And when you’ve had the symptoms has it always been in your big toe?

Yes – yeah I’ve just had it in there, in there and I think on other parts of my foot but on my big toe is mainly where I remember it, so.
Some people found it hard to describe how bad the pain was so compared it to other pain. Several described it as feeling like a sharp knife stabbing into their joint. John Y felt that attacks were actually like ‘being attacked’ by someone and Eddie described the pain as like having ‘an electric drill drilling into your knee’. John Z felt like he had an itch inside his ankle. Runibunar felt like his foot was going to explode, while Kate and Sam both compared the pain to childbirth. Some described the pain as a ‘throbbing’, ‘burning’, ‘sharp’, ‘piercing’, or ‘stiff’ sensation. Others felt that it was like ‘shards of glass’ or ‘needles’ in their joints. 

Kate says the pain of gout is worse than childbirth.

Kate says the pain of gout is worse than childbirth.

Age at interview: 65
Sex: Female
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I know it sounds ridiculous but I forget the pain of childbirth but I do not forget the agony it just… you go... I just go to bed and I’m fine. And I wake up, I was actually shouting to my husband, “you’ve got to help me, you’ve got to help me”. And there’s nowhere you can put it. You know, it’s just terrible. 
Some people felt that it was only possible for people with gout to understand the pain. They also felt that other people were not interested in knowing about it. A few people felt that there should be greater awareness of gout as an extremely painful condition. Tony X believed that other people would find it hard to understand how any slight contact could cause extreme pain. 

Tony X found the pain was unpredictable. It would suddenly become very intense without warning. He could even feel pain if something was near his foot but not actually touching it.

Tony X found the pain was unpredictable. It would suddenly become very intense without warning. He could even feel pain if something was near his foot but not actually touching it.

Age at interview: 71
Sex: Male
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So when you say it’s so much unlike anything else, is that in terms of the pain or in terms of...?

It’s a number of things. One, I think, is in terms of the sheer intensity of the pain, but particularly, as well, the unpredictability of, of the pain, and the – it’s very hard, I think, to understand the notion that something approaching your foot can hurt. So that bedclothes don’t have to touch your foot, even, but being near can cause – well, it certainly feels as if it causes the pain – and that, that’s very odd. That’s not like anything else, I think. And the contrast between the apparent slightness of the, as it were, of the provocation, and the intensity of the experienced pain, I think, is part of what makes it very difficult for other people, who see, that, you know, what you’re talking about is either a feather tickling your toe, and you’re making a huge fuss about it. My – when my father was very old, he was suffering from gout. I don’t think it was ever diagnosed, but he was. And he was terrified at anybody coming anywhere near his foot. So he would shout at people when they got within about a yard of, of his foot, but, I understood why, because it is – somebody brushing past your foot, when your joints are inflamed, is acutely painful, and that’s a strange, strange experience.
Many people believed that their GP understood how painful the condition was. However, some felt that their doctor did not acknowledge or understand the significance and level of pain they were experiencing. Others were worried that their GP would not believe how intense and limiting the pain was. Gerald and others thought that part of the problem was that the level of pain they had was not always matched by obvious visible symptoms. 

Gerald believes that when someone looks well and has no obvious injuries, other people do not think that they could still have severe pain.

Gerald believes that when someone looks well and has no obvious injuries, other people do not think that they could still have severe pain.

Age at interview: 67
Sex: Male
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People see you, they think, “Oh”, you know, “He’s big, he looks healthy and everything,” but they don’t realise what - I think what people don’t know, or don’t realise is the pain it actually gives you. You know, you can look as healthy as anything, you know, but you don’t know what pain you’re in all the time. And that’s where – because if you’ve got a broken arm or you’ve got a broken leg they say, “Oh, he’s got a broken leg. He must be in pain.” If you’ve got a broken arm or you’ve got a thick lip or something, they say, “Oh, he’s in pain.” But they don’t – just because you look, oh, you might be hobbling a bit, I’ve got two sticks now and they say, “Oh, you know,” but they don’t realise the pain inside.
Joints were often so painful and sensitive that people could not stand anything touching them – even a bed sheet. During attacks, people were worried and frightened about accidentally knocking the affected joint because they knew it would cause even more pain. Some people did not want family or friends helping or coming close to them in case they touched or bumped their painful joint. People also wanted to be left alone because of the way the pain made them feel. Eddie felt ‘downhearted’ and ‘lethargic’. One person was in such constant pain that he felt like he ‘could not carry on’ and wanted to ‘give it all up’.

Harry felt that the pain was like having his toes sawn off without anaesthetic. He warned people to keep away from him to avoid more pain.

Harry felt that the pain was like having his toes sawn off without anaesthetic. He warned people to keep away from him to avoid more pain.

Age at interview: 78
Sex: Male
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It is excruciatingly painful. So much so that if - I used to find that if I thought anyone was coming anywhere near me with the chance that they might touch me or touch my foot, then I would - I would just sort of…"No stay away, stay away, stay away." And the poor dog as we had at the time didn't know what was happening, and people that would come in through the door and you know I'd say, "Sorry, don’t come any closer." And that it was that painful that I don't know how you would describe the pain that you get. It's something like having your toes sawn off with a hacksaw without anaesthetic. It couldn't be any worse than that.
‘Getting rid of the pain’ was the most important issue for many people when they were first diagnosed. People’s attacks lasted between a few days and a few weeks. Most felt that the pain limited their activities and affected their sleep. As well as affecting what they could do physically, the pain could distract them from being able to concentrate on other things. Ivor, though, believed that he built up a tolerance to the pain so it did not impact his work. Many people said that they would ‘try anything’ to relieve the pain during an attack. At times, several people had such bad pain that they felt like cutting the painful joint off. Gerald asked his doctor to amputate his leg because the pain in his knee was so bad. (For more see ‘Treating the pain and inflammation of gout attacks’ and ‘Practical tips for gout’).

John X felt like he would rather tear his fingernails out than have the pain of gout. He feared touching the affected joint and could not even bear a sheet over it.

John X felt like he would rather tear his fingernails out than have the pain of gout. He feared touching the affected joint and could not even bear a sheet over it.

Age at interview: 57
Sex: Male
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Gout is severe – it’s quite severe pain and then phew. When I first had it, it wasn’t so bad, but now, the last couple of times, there’s – it’s just been, yeah, you’d choose to tear your fingernails out. I’d rather have that than what I’ve been having. 

Can you describe what the pain is like at all?

It’s a severe – a very severe ache – a sharp ache. Ooh, a sharp ache. You can’t – you don’t – I think even mentally the thought of touching it hurts. It’s one of those kinds of things. It’s a fear factor. It’s more of fear factor than a pain. But a sheet – you couldn’t put a sheet on it. You couldn’t lie a sheet over it in the winter. I’d move the sheet and pull the sheet back without it being – and, as I say, sore, very sore. There is – and the pain is very particular and if it’s in the knee – if it’s in the ankle then it’s in the ankle and that’s it. It’s there and that’s it and that’s all I can say about it. No, I don’t know, I don’t complain with things very often, but that is the one thing that really does get me.

Sam’s pain felt similar to the pain of childbirth and having an epidural. She felt like she would try anything to get rid of it.

Sam’s pain felt similar to the pain of childbirth and having an epidural. She felt like she would try anything to get rid of it.

Age at interview: 41
Sex: Female
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My foot was swollen but the intense pain when I was on holiday was in my big toe. And it was - it's an awful thing to describe, it was like the pain I felt when I had an epidural, when I had my son, and it's the type of pain you never forget and it did literally feel like somebody was stabbing me and I was wrapping my foot up thinking I wanted to put it up, but then that was too intense, I could not put my foot up, I put my foot up, and I just couldn't get comfortable at all.

I think you'll try anything because always in the back of my mind is, “I don’t want a flare up like I had before”. I mean - and I've given birth to two children, one birth was quite traumatic, and I would say that that pain is on a par with the childbirth, the initial flare, where it, you know, it takes your breath away - so I will try anything if I think it'll work to be honest.
Some people only had attacks once every few years. Others had attacks every few months or more often. People who were taking daily preventative medication often had no attacks once the medication had lowered their uric acid levels enough. Ian found attacks very inconvenient and was happy that allopurinol had stopped them. (For more see ‘Preventing attacks and long-term problems’).

Until he took daily medication, John Y used to go for months without any symptoms then would suddenly get an attack. He noticed they became more frequent over time.

Until he took daily medication, John Y used to go for months without any symptoms then would suddenly get an attack. He noticed they became more frequent over time.

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It was strange really because you would, you would have an attack, like I had, which it was pretty severe, and then you’d go ages, and months with, nothing. You know, nothing would happen. And then, suddenly it would come again. So, you think, “Well is it, have I got gout or…” you know, because you would think you would have it all the time. But, of course, as the years go on, you do get, you do get it more regularly. And, like I said you feel it sort of, it’s like having a little wind up, one of them little wind up, record players, you know, where it sort of starts off and then it gets, you know, slower and slower and then, you know, before you know where you are, it’s in agony.
The pain of attacks was usually restricted to a very specific area around the joint. Most people did not feel unwell apart from this pain, but a few people had fluey or achy symptoms. 

Simon felt a bit like he had mild flu during his attacks. He could also feel that gout was affecting other joints even though they were not painful.

Simon felt a bit like he had mild flu during his attacks. He could also feel that gout was affecting other joints even though they were not painful.

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I think you don’t feel – I think the example I’d give is that it feels like a little bit like you’ve got flu but not very – you know, sort of minor flu really. You realise that there’s something going on in your body and it’s not quite right, which I think you only appreciate when you haven’t got it. I think that’s the best description of it. You – it’s probably slightly unwell, apart from the pain in your joints 

So the third time it was in my – it was in my right big toe, but I was conscious of it being elsewhere. It might sound strange, but I was conscious of it possibly at times being in my knees and possibly being in my elbows, but not as bad and nothing really that I couldn’t tolerate. But the fourth time it was much more conscious. It wasn’t in my right foot, it was in my left foot, but also in my left thumb and possibly a little bit in my right thumb. I was conscious of it there, not really painful but just being conscious that it wasn’t just in one joint. 
After their first attack, some people had attacks in other joints. A few had attacks in more than one joint at a time. Several had not realised that gout could affect joints other than the big toe until they got an attack in a different part of their body. A few people were not too concerned about having gout when they’d only had one attack, but it became a bigger issue when they began to get more frequent attacks. 

Tony Y started getting attacks every few months in his big toe joints. He then had an attack in his knee.

Tony Y started getting attacks every few months in his big toe joints. He then had an attack in his knee.

Age at interview: 65
Sex: Male
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And can you tell me a bit about the diagnosis - what the doctor did in terms of diagnosing you?

Yeah he took one - he told me to take my shoe and my sock off, took one look at it and said - no, he pinched the toe which made me go, "Ouch" and then he said, "Oh, that's gout." And he prescribed I think it was diclofenac initially. And it went away in a very short space of time. 

And then what happened next? 

Well nothing for a long time. Then it suddenly started to come back, generally speaking initially in either of, either of my big toes, but only very, very sporadically, six, I don't know, it's hard to put a timescale on it really, probably every… well I would guess probably only I have three or four attacks a year. So what, probably an average of every three months. And treating it with diclofenac, I mean it was - they were over and done within days, generally speaking. Slightly different when was it, last - yeah, last year when it affected my, my knee. And I didn't believe that was gout at first because the knee was very, very badly swollen, it didn't - it didn't feel like a gouty pain, whatever that might feel like, but the doctor drew some fluid from it, sent it away, and said it was, that’s exactly what it was. 
People who’d had attacks in different joints felt that the pain was particularly bad when it affected their knees, hands or wrists. Some people’s attacks started with ‘twinges’ and then got more painful. Others did not notice anything until they were suddenly in pain. Many people learnt to recognise attacks starting before the pain was at its worst. (For more see ‘Practical tips for gout’).

Ian’s first few attacks were in his big toe joint. He then had attacks in his knees, ankle, wrist and elbow.

Ian’s first few attacks were in his big toe joint. He then had attacks in his knees, ankle, wrist and elbow.

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For the first four, five years it always was around the bunion part of your big toe. And in the knuckle part of the big toe, never in the other toes, it was just the big toe area. And then progressively from about 2000 onwards, I started to get it in other parts of - of my body. So that was anywhere where a joint was. So sometimes I got it in my knees, ankle, wrist and elbow. Particularly one in - the one in your wrist was very painful from memory and obviously because you try and move your hand more than - if you're sitting down you're okay really I guess from a foot perspective, but - but your hands when you're trying to work and whatever and you’ve got a problem with it, that was very painful, yes. And so then that really…as - as that started to spread and whatever, when I spoke to the GP he said well let's do a test and my uric acid was high, that’s when I went on allopurinol.
Some people who no longer had attacks, still had occasional ‘twinges’ or ‘niggles’ that made them wonder if an attack was starting. Sam was not sure if all of her ongoing symptoms were gout, or whether some of them could be caused by another form of arthritis.

Ray occasionally gets a sudden pain in his foot and wonders if it is gout.

Ray occasionally gets a sudden pain in his foot and wonders if it is gout.

Age at interview: 67
Sex: Male
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And then you sort of described you’ve had sort of…?

Niggles now and again, but that’s all they’ve been 

What, can you describe what they’ve been like?

Well just your – you know basically get maybe a sudden pain in my foot or my toe but it comes, and then you know it’s – it’s quite quickly gone so it’s not like you’ve had it constant, and possibly if I’d been asleep I might have slept through it, but I’ve noticed it when I’ve been you know awake or been sitting or something and had the pain whether it’s gout or anything else I don’t know, if you have pains around your toes I tend to do think gout you know, whether it is or not I don’t know.

And when you say it sort of goes quickly are we talking seconds, minutes, hours?

Yeah pretty much seconds.

Okay so it’s sort of very brief pain and then it goes away again. So when that happens do you do anything about it or do you just …

No because, you know it’s pretty much come, it’s gone and I think, “Oh, what was that?”, but, you know it’s gone, but you get pains like that.

Ben sometimes gets a stiff feeling in his toe and wonders if it is gout.

Ben sometimes gets a stiff feeling in his toe and wonders if it is gout.

Age at interview: 34
Sex: Male
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I think about it whenever I get a feeling in my toe. It sounds strange, but, I’d say, I wouldn't say regularly, but it's - it's not far away from - I don't know. You definitely - it's whenever you get a feeling in your toe. I can't really - if you've never had it, you don't really know what I'm saying, but if you've had it, you'll know exactly. You just get this, maybe a slight stiffening of the toe or something you think, "My God, is it coming back?" 
People found that walking or putting pressure on their joints was particularly painful. It was often too painful to wear shoes or socks if they had attacks in their feet. Some people found that the pain eased after moving around. Carole found that she could mentally prepare herself for doing things that would hurt, but the pain was worse if it was unexpected, like tripping over. Some people felt that there was nothing they could do to ease the pain or get comfortable. Others found that only strong painkillers or anti-inflammatories would help with the pain. Harry had learnt by experience how much pain he could stand so that he could avoid taking more tablets than he wanted to. (For more see ‘Practical tips for gout’ and ‘Treating the pain and inflammation of gout attacks’).



Last reviewed December 2016

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