Asthma
Asthma and the workplace
Working life and asthma
In our interviews people described ways in which having asthma had impacted on their work and finances. Generally, people said it hadn’t affected their ability to work, or only very rarely. As David said, "Do I have an illness which prevents me to do certain things on a daily basis? I would say 99% of the time I would say “no” to that. There is just that 1%, then I would have to say “yes”."
Asthma has not interfered with Eileen’s work. Her line manager has helped by providing her with a parking space close to her office so she does not have to walk too far.
Asthma has not interfered with Eileen’s work. Her line manager has helped by providing her with a parking space close to her office so she does not have to walk too far.
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So I just don’t move around very much when I’m feeling like that.
So I can carry on working.
Susan had an asthma attack when she was working and felt embarrassed at being the centre of attention. [AUDIO ONLY]
Susan had an asthma attack when she was working and felt embarrassed at being the centre of attention. [AUDIO ONLY]
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So, I mean, we were working in pairs and my colleagues went back on the radio and said, “No, I think it is absolutely imperative [laughs] that that we come in for a welfare break right now”. And luckily the people that were, that were on the radio, they kind of went, “Ah, right OK this isn’t just …” you know, “you being lazy, there’s some other thing that you don’t want to put over the radio that means you need to come back”. Which was, I mean, it was good and bad because it, it did mean that people knew there was something up but they didn’t know what it is was. Which is a bit annoying. And it meant that when we got back to the base everybody was like waiting and going “Are you OK?” And it was, that was kind of nice but also I just wanted to be left alone a bit [laughs].
You don’t really want all that attention.
No, I didn’t want everybody kind of crowding round me. I just wanted to sit down, take my inhaler, get my head together…
And then just get out again. And everybody was like, “Oh, are you sure you’re OK?” I said, “Yes. Leave me alone”.
So do you find you’re often, you know, so if people know that you’ve got asthma or see you having a bit of an attack, do they get very kind of …
It depends…
...careful about you?
People are generally, I mean, people are generally really good I find. Sometimes it’s annoying, sometime people are kind of, sometimes it can feel like being crowded.
A bit too much?
But I guess that’s better than people ignoring you [laughs].
Alastair has told his employers that he has asthma, but it hasn’t affected his work life.
Alastair has told his employers that he has asthma, but it hasn’t affected his work life.
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No, not at all.
You just take your inhalers to work with you do you?
No. Yes, I’m office based so no it doesn’t affect working life.
Sometimes people have to have fitness test or health checks for work. Is it something that you would tell your work place about?
Yes. Yes. I always tell them. I don’t see any, you know, reason not to. I think quite a lot of people have the same thing. I think it’s reasonably well understood. Although I am a mild sufferer so I don’t know if it is for more severe sufferers but may be for sick leave and things like that. I’ve never had to take sick leave because of asthma.
Ann had to take time off work when she was first diagnosed. When she returned to work she found it difficult at first because some rooms in the building were hot and some very cold, which triggered her asthma.
Ann had to take time off work when she was first diagnosed. When she returned to work she found it difficult at first because some rooms in the building were hot and some very cold, which triggered her asthma.
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But during that time where you were working and it was... were you experiencing breathing problems a lot, at work,? How were you feeling during that time? Were you managing it through your inhaler?
I was managing it but even I had a couple of, of, it was a learning experience. So I had a couple of insistences where I was moving from a large open plan office that was generally quite stuffy and quite hot, most of the time, you know, summer and winter. And then I'd be moving into a much cooler meeting room for example. This happened to me a few times and I would get an asthma attack even though I'd been on my normal medication regime and it, it had to happen a few times before it finally clicked that it was the change in temperature that was causing the breathing problems.
And what would you do at work when you had an asthma attack?
I always had my Ventolin inhaler with me. So, once, once I realised that it was being in a cold place that was a problem, I would just go back to somewhere that was warmer and, and just rest. My team were very understanding and very sympathetic, well most of them were [laughs].
People said they tried their best to take as little time off sick as possible, but inevitably for some there had been times when they needed to. We were also told about employers and colleagues who had tried hard to be flexible and find ways to make things easier. Jane remembers that shortly after she’d returned to work after a serious asthma attack a colleague insisted on accompanying her on the train to a meeting to make sure she was all right. Nicola’s boss has asthma himself "he completely understands, because he’s had the same problems".
Andreane was open about having asthma at her job interview and explained to her employer that she sometimes needed time off. He was very understanding.
Andreane was open about having asthma at her job interview and explained to her employer that she sometimes needed time off. He was very understanding.
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Yes, when I’ve had a chest infection, unfortunately, with the result of antibiotics it does make you retch a lot, actually it is not actually very pleasant to do in an office, in an open plan office. And it can happen at any time, and also it totally washes you out as well, so …. I was honest with my boss, I said to him from the very start, “I don’t go ill, but when I do go ill, it’s normally about two weeks at a time, because I suffer from asthma, and if I come down with a cold, it never stays a cold, becomes a chest infection.” And thankfully he appreciated the illness, he said, “That’s fine. Quite understand I appreciate that. I’ll take your word.” So…
And was that during your interview?
That was during the interview.
Okay and did you feel it was important to…?
Yes, because I think at the end of the day, I don’t want to be misleading people at the end of day it’s going to be a factor, I can’t shy away from it. I will get ill. Its, however, regularly and well I’m taking my medication, I can’t shy away from people having colds, passing the cold to me and I goes straight to the chest. So it’s a known fact that I’m going to be ill at least once a year for at least two weeks.
And I suppose when the weather changes that’s when you…?
Exactly. That’s when you notice it more as well.
And do you find you have to avoid being, if someone’s got a cold or do you avoid being near them or is it not…
You can’t really … Where I work like all last week and yesterday and Monday I was having people sneezing around me and with sore throats. I though oh boy...
Here we go.
I just took extra Vitamin C and try to do as best as I can and I thought if it’s going to happen, it’s going to happen and I’ll just have to deal with as best as I can. Thankfully, it doesn’t seem to have happened.
Andreane’s colleagues helped out when she had an asthma attack at work. ‘Any form of kindness from a colleague or friend or family member. Just knowing they care and want to help you, helps a lot’.
Andreane’s colleagues helped out when she had an asthma attack at work. ‘Any form of kindness from a colleague or friend or family member. Just knowing they care and want to help you, helps a lot’.
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And my colleagues were very thoughtful and generous and said, “Do you want some water…” Well you know… I couldn’t talk because as you cough you start to lose your voice. So then its, you know, and it was just the fact that people cared enough, and took the time to, that also helped as well to calm me down, because of course it’s a vicious circle. You start panicking [laughs]. Which doesn’t help either. So it’s, having people show that they care [exhales] helps you to calm down a bit. Not totally straight away, but just helps to slow down the process and as you relax and as you start to calm down then it seems to stop. It helps to, because it’s like a trigger mechanism. It’s a vicious circle. The more you panic, the more you can persistently create the coughing mechanism because of the lack of chest, I can’t explain it, but it just persists. It persists. It makes it carry on. So any form of kindness from a colleague or a friend or a family member just know, show that they care, and, you know, they want to help you, helps a lot as well.
Catherine has had problems with employers who think she is lazy or disloyal, but says she’s also had some who have been ‘absolutely fabulous… and as a result, because you’re not stressed, your health is better’.
Catherine has had problems with employers who think she is lazy or disloyal, but says she’s also had some who have been ‘absolutely fabulous… and as a result, because you’re not stressed, your health is better’.
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The managers who have picked on me because of my health are basically, but playground bullies. They get off on picking on the weakest.
And there have been where getting up and going to work has been the hardest thing on the planet, way harder than being ill.
It must be hard also to ring up and say you’re ill [laughs].
Yeah.
“I’m not coming in”.
You don’t. I’ve found, I just, I’d have to be on my knees before I didn’t go into one particular job. Which made it even more hurtful that I was told that I wasn’t loyal and I didn’t work hard. Because…
Extraordinary.
… even if I had time off I made that time up and did extra … to compensate and they didn’t give a toss. You are seen as being a liability…
… and slacking. And I think actually if most decent managers open their eyes they can find that those of us who have conditions or diseases are actually much better employees because we go off, above and beyond to make sure our work is not affected by our ill health at all.
I’ve had employers who’ve just been absolutely fabulous and as a result, because you’re not stressed you’re health’s better anyway.
So that’s a vicious circle, if they get you upset …
Yeah.
… then your health…
Yeah.
… deteriorates because you’re feeling stressed.
And if that attitude, the bad attitude comes from management it’s never going to change. And all this, you know, Disability Discrimination Act, unfortunately I don’t think it means anything because if you’re poorly and if you’re having a very bad session you haven’t got the energy to take an employer to court.
No.
You know you might be right and you know the law’s on your side, you try proving it.
Don’t want to go down that road.
You don’t, you don’t want to go …
No.
… down that route because …
No.
… one, you might get labelled as a trouble maker, then other employers won’t touch you with a barge pole.
So is it something that you feel that you’ve got to kind of keep quiet about to some extent?
Yes. I think you do. I think when, you get to know people and they get to know you and you real, they realise there’s nothing different about being diagnosed with an illness, and not being diagnosed with an illness, you see, if you’re the right kind of person you’re going to work hard anyway. You’re going to be a good person and you’re going to be a good employee. And once, I’ve found, once I’ve got to know people I tell them more. Now of, that’s partly because some employers will treat you badly, there’s no doubt about it. Some of them do. But for those people who perhaps have never had any experience of illness they might not consciously discriminate against you but if you sit there in an interview and say, “Oh, by the way, I’ve got asthma and I’ve got whatever else so I have hospital appointments and I take medication”, they, just through sheer, unintended, ignorance, think,. “Hmm, right, hmm”.
That could interrupt the day’s work?
Yeah. “Hmm, might, might not give her that job then”. You know. And if it’s two people who are the same and they find out one of you has got something wrong with you, it’s highly possible you’re going to get dropped… because of that.
As in Jenny’s case, asthma had had a big impact on some people’s working life. For people with more severe symptoms, doing a full time job might be too stressful or tiring. Mary, whose asthma is ‘chronic and severe’ works part time in the evenings because that’s the best time of day for her. "If I was tired in the afternoon, I would have had an hour’s sleep before I go to work and I would have had all the medication. That’s why I choose to work that. People will come in and they’ll say, “Oh, do you not get sick of working at this time of the evening?” I don’t. It suits me perfectly."
Jane had wanted to go to university after leaving school but wasn’t able to take up the place because she was too ill. Both Jane and Alice (below) joined the civil service when they were in their early 20’s and had managed over the years to forge successful careers but Jane had some regrets about not having been able to go to university. Both women have severe asthma and eventually some years later both had to give up working. Jane feels that her life might have been quite different if she had got her degree and feels now as though she’s been ‘thrown on the scrapheap’. Alice says that her asthma is easier to control and manage now she isn’t at work. Some people had started doing some voluntary work for Asthma UK since leaving work, which gave them opportunities to support other people with asthma.
Ann was finding it difficult to find a new direction in her work life and to find a new job that would be stimulating but at the same time not as demanding as her previous job. Jenny, who was given medical retirement at 30, also hoped she might find ‘just a little role that I can do well in’ and explained how not being able to work had affected her sense of herself.
Jane has had a successful career but had to take early retirement on medical grounds when her asthma flared up again later in her life.
Jane has had a successful career but had to take early retirement on medical grounds when her asthma flared up again later in her life.
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I then got this temporary job in the Civil Service at a skills centre and actually quite liked it. I was a temporary clerical assistant and applied again for [place] and again I was accepted but again was too ill to go. So in the end I just gave up that idea and applied to be a clerical officer in the Civil Service and I was called what was called permanently unestablished which meant if I had more than three weeks off in the first five years, in each year of the first five years, for my condition of asthma, then the contract would be terminated.
And I was at [place] Skills… sorry I’ve done it again, but I should know as well. The staff there were brilliant and used to cover for me. I used to use my leave and use flexitime and everything. So I became permanently established.
I had a period of about 14 years where I had a really good quality of life I think. It was I went to Australia. I did all my travel, you know, travelling. I did all kinds of things and that would be from about 26, 8 to 40. I got promoted three times and I came down the [place] then in my early 40s, I just became as bad again as I was when I was 14 and that lasted for, solidly for 7 years.
And I tried my best to keep my job, you know, taking taxis to work etc. And in fairness to them they tried to give me jobs which didn’t involve travelling and in the end they said I had to medical retirement.
Alice worked for many years in the civil service but eventually it took its toll and she was retired on medical grounds. [AUDIO ONLY]
Alice worked for many years in the civil service but eventually it took its toll and she was retired on medical grounds. [AUDIO ONLY]
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Anyway, I thought my employers were very patient and in the end did confirm the appointment, and that was very good because that meant I had a permanent job and I was also in the Civil Service pension scheme, which was to have significance later on. And I think with the various sort of drug regimes and you know, monitoring by the hospital etc, I managed to keep my sick absence through asthma, or generally, down to a tolerable level for 25 years. But I have chronic severe asthma, so I have asthma all the time, just kept tamped down by the inhalers that I have. And it was very exhausting, if you are always struggling for breath, that actually has an impact on all sorts of aspects of your life. And one of the things which I only sort of saw recorded recently in asthma magazine, is this feeling of sort of tiredness and exhaustion after you’ve had asthma or, and if you have asthma all the time it’s kind of an on-going thing. So there's an impact on one’s stamina.
Anyway, eventually, when I reached the age of 46, nearly 47, I realised that I couldn't go on working because that was the only thing I could do. I would get up and go to work for the week, and I had absolutely no strength or stamina to see my family, friends, enjoy social life. And I thought, I don't want to take the risk that my asthma inhalers will stop working, which had happened to me twice before and meant that I had to have stronger medicine to get back on to a kind of balanced sort of breathing pattern. So, I decided that I would have to give up work and I approached the Civil Service medical advisory service to see if I could get medical retirement on the grounds of my asthma. There, that was a part of the pension scheme, that you can have retirement on medical grounds. And I had a very supportive GP and we also had a very good welfare officer in my Civil Service department who both supported my case, so that the medical advisers recommended to the Civil Service pensions scheme that they should allow me to retire and put in to payment my pension. Which you'll realise with a retirement age of sixty as it was then in the Civil Service, was thirteen years early. That obviously, has been one of the biggest impacts that asthma had on my life, that it curtailed my working life. It did mean, in terms of work, while I was at work, I had to be very cautious about undertaking travelling, for the organisation that I worked for. I felt that I couldn't work as much I would have liked to, and I was always having to be very cautious about my health, avoiding [coughs] people with colds, trying not to have time off. A lot of the time, when I was young, I would have bronchitis and I would just go to work. I would take antibiotics. You can do that when you’re young, but it does take a toll.
Retiring from work meant Alice could avoid travelling on the tube, and being near people with coughs and colds. Her asthma has improved since she stopped working. [AUDIO ONLY]
Retiring from work meant Alice could avoid travelling on the tube, and being near people with coughs and colds. Her asthma has improved since she stopped working. [AUDIO ONLY]
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Not being able to work is something jenny hates. She misses the people, the interaction and the responsibility. She’d like some sort of a job where she can feel she’s needed, rather than always being the one needing other people.
Not being able to work is something jenny hates. She misses the people, the interaction and the responsibility. She’d like some sort of a job where she can feel she’s needed, rather than always being the one needing other people.
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But yeah, I mean, it’s stopped me working and that’s the big thing, that’s the one that I hate… you know. I mean, I used to work 39 hours a week, do shift work, night shifts, sleep-in, whatever, you know, I was always at work, but you know, I was at work early, I’d finish late; I loved, I like working, I like, I miss the people, I miss the interaction, I miss the responsibility.
And is that something you can foresee in the future will change or are you thinking that that’s how it’s got to be now?
I envisage working part-time somewhere, somehow. I mean, I’m not a career woman per se, but I would like some responsibility in some, you know, and to achieve something, but I’ve had to scale down what I wanted to achieve. I mean, I am currently doing an Open University degree, and I was very focused on doing a psychology degree, but now I’ve, since I’ve sort of learnt more about my asthma and the psychological impact of it, I’m actually thinking, do I want to be in other people’s heads? You know, I always want, I wanted to be a psychologist, I thought well I can do that part-time, I can work from home, you know, it would fit in with my condition. But now in hindsight, I might, hang on, I’ve got enough of my own things going on inside my head.
You’ve got to think about the impact on you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Would I get too tired, too stressed, too anxious about other people’s problems? I mean, I know when you work as a psychologist you, you have to have your own counselling and your own, you know, you have mentors and that, but I’m just thinking, I don’t think I can … I don’t think that would be healthy for me. So actually now I’m looking at thinking, well OK, well maybe you know, maybe I’ll work in an office and have just a little role, you know, some admin, you know, health admin or whatever, then just have a little role that I can do well in, rather than, I mean, my sister-in-law is mega-career-orientated, you know, works stupid hours, drives all over the country, you know, because she wants to achieve certain things in her career. Me, I think just going to work and being part of a team and, and being, having responsibility and being needed.
I mean, I’ve spent so much time needing other people that actually I’m, I quite like the idea of being needed.
Esther’s daughter has been in and out of hospital with asthma. Esther is a trained teacher but found it difficult to manage a job and be available for medical emergencies. ‘My earning power has probably been dictated by her illness.’
Esther’s daughter has been in and out of hospital with asthma. Esther is a trained teacher but found it difficult to manage a job and be available for medical emergencies. ‘My earning power has probably been dictated by her illness.’
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So, but I was fortunate, because I did work from home and I had a job I could do and fit around it, which was very lucky really. Otherwise I would have had no income.
She just had this, you know, recent incident. But I also think you know, she was in year six and there was all sorts of things going on. I also, oh I think I might be a bit mad, but I think that illness goes with periods in your life and emot, things that happen. And so my pneumonia I think was really a kind of a pivotal moment in my… I think sometimes, I think she’d got to that stage where there was a big thing coming up. She was leaving primary school and she got ill for it. And I wasn’t that surprised that she had a big thing. But I know that that’s not a conventional view of medicine [laughs] but I do think that it’s in there somewhere, in your life, you kind of, you know, you have an illness and then there’s a change. And I think that’s what was happening to her. So I’m trying not to get too worried about her suddenly becoming really badly, asthmatic again. But she’s, we just always have to, you know, you can’t let your guard down basically, and I had to take time off work. Oh I, basically I trained as a teacher when she was 8 or 9, after, after four years not going to hospital with her. After getting much less treatment, because it was the first time I really felt I could actually go out and get a job and work away from the home or away from her. But before that I felt I couldn’t at all. So, my, my earning power I think has probably been dictated to by her illness.
Occupational asthma is the most common cause of adult onset asthma and makes up 9 -15 per cent of cases of asthma in adults of working age (Asthma UK July 2016). People develop asthma because they are exposed to dangerous substances at work. It can take weeks, months or even years to develop, depending on the person and the substance. Andreane developed occupational asthma when she was working on some files that were very old.
A doctor describes how irritants in the workplace can cause asthma.
A doctor describes how irritants in the workplace can cause asthma.
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If you develop occupational asthma, this is a compensatible disease. You can get compensation from the government, and, but the most important thing is to try and remove the individual from the cause. Now that’s easier said than done. If you’re a baker, you can’t really, for instance, say, you have to change your job and become a, you can, but that’s a big decision to make.
Another approach, of course, is to say well can we find something else that would do instead of the agent that causes the problem. For instance, there was, there is a cause of occupational asthma, due to something that’s found in the flux in solder. So solderers get it. And they found, and once you found, once we had established what it was in that solder flux, it could be removed. The flux still worked and so you were able to remove that opportunity for individuals to get occupational asthma. But if you’re a baker you can’t remove flour. It just isn’t an option, you know, then no job.
So, then you’re into the possibilities of using what’s called respiratory protective equipment or RPE, which is a mask, to try and reduce your inhaled, your inhaled exposures. Some people find that perfectly acceptable. Others find it almost impossible in the context of their job. And very often people with occupational asthma have to change their job. Which is a major upheaval.
So in general occupational is a well recognised, but not as well as it should be, cause of asthma. And if anybody who develops asthma during working years for the first time, one in ten of those individuals it will be due to their work.
Andreane had her first asthma attack after working on old files with mould growing on them.
Andreane had her first asthma attack after working on old files with mould growing on them.
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And people said, “Oh well why didn’t you sort of go back and sort of take out a case?” And I said, “Well at the time I was just too shocked, I wasn’t expecting to have that.” And by the time I did think about possibly taking the local authority to case because they didn’t actually provide me protection it was too much of a hassle. And I may still be able to do it, but life’s too short to have to worry about these things. But at the end of the day I wouldn’t want anyone else to be suffering in that respect because it just doesn’t seem fair. You know, you have a job to do, naturally you want to do it to the best of your ability but you need to be able to be protected also, to enable you to do it to the best of your ability.
And that was the frustration. So I have what is called occupational health asthma, because I’m not affected by the standard triggers, like dust or fur. I’m more affected by chemicals.
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