Patient and public involvement in research
Difficulties and barriers to involvement
There are many reasons why people may find it difficult or challenging to get involved in health research. These may include personal difficulties (physical and/or emotional), organisational barriers (such as timing and location of meetings), language barriers, and the way researchers think or act sometimes. Solutions to some of these problems are explored in ‘Factors which make it easier to get involved’.
Finding out about opportunities
An important issue is raising awareness of health research and making sure that learning about involvement opportunities isn’t just a matter of chance or accident, as it often seems to be. (See also ‘Path to involvement – how did people find out about it?’ and ‘Raising awareness of opportunities for involvement and finding new volunteers’). For example, Francesco wanted to see opportunities being advertised to recruit a more diverse range of people (see also ‘Representing a range of views and experiences: diversity’).
There is a lack of understanding among the public about health research and little awareness of opportunities for involvement.
There is a lack of understanding among the public about health research and little awareness of opportunities for involvement.
I think it’s really important that research reaches out to people and connects with, with real lives and real people. It can end up in a bit of a bubble and nobody really knowing what’s going on inside. And then researchers get a bit anxious because nobody values what they’re doing, but then that’s partly because they don’t know what they’re doing, and so it’s difficult for them to be valued. So I think there is a really important piece of work to be done, going out into the community and explaining how health research works. What actually goes on and how people can be more involved in it.
One of the big things people have been saying to me, is they never realised how difficult and how long health research takes. And so a lot of people do something, they speak to a researcher and then they don’t hear anything for a couple of months, and they think, oh they’re not giving me any feedback, they’re not, they’re not that interested. Whereas the researcher might think that feedback is something that you give people in five years’ time or two years’ time or something like that. And that hasn’t been communicated very well in the past, I think. So people’s expectations of what research is, how quickly something will get into practice and how they can get involved in it. All those things are very unrealistic.
Academics seem to choose people they feel comfortable with. Francesco wants to see a fairer, more transparent process.
Academics seem to choose people they feel comfortable with. Francesco wants to see a fairer, more transparent process.
So in the areas of mental health it's – this is just observational, it's not a criticism – it tends to be middle aged females that seem to dominate the research parlours. Maybe, OK that could be just chance, you know, that men are at work, they die a lot sooner than women because they've worked a lot. I'd better be careful, don't kick me on the shin. They, because they work a lot harder and, you know, men kind of like get to go six feet under a lot sooner, you know, longevity, life expectancy, you know, more coronary heart disease whatever. But what I'd like to see is an advertisement for involvement for PPI – people express an interest, not the old boys network, funny little handshakes like the Masonic Lodge and that or nepotism. I can't abide by that because, you know, I'll accept any amount of not being taken on as long it is a fair process because I wouldn't expect any favours.
Once people are involved, early experiences can be daunting. Roger A said it could be off-putting to some people but he saw it as a challenge; he said, ‘Perhaps I’m a congenital anarchist, I don’t know.’ But challenging is not always easy. As Derek pointed out, ‘If you’re troublesome, the doors can easily close.’
Entering a room full of senior academics can be intimidating, but they may not mean to exclude you. Derek offers advice on how to break the ice and ask questions.
Entering a room full of senior academics can be intimidating, but they may not mean to exclude you. Derek offers advice on how to break the ice and ask questions.
Second one is not to bang the table, right, about some issue. To sit and listen and take part, but to ask one question in every meeting – because you don't want to hold the meeting up – about what something means. “Could somebody explain something” begins to focus the group back into speaking a language, which is understandable because they love their acronyms. They love their acronyms so much that as the longer we have become involved we have created our own acronyms in the world of patient involvement. So, do not think it is only them, right? So, just breaking the ice with a sentence about something, but if you don't want to do that just say to somebody next to you, "Could I just ask you, would you mind, could I write sometimes to you, what does this mean and pass it across to you?" Because it, we don't want it to stop the meetings going.
Dave G found his first meeting completely baffling. It was only pride which stopped him from giving up.
Dave G found his first meeting completely baffling. It was only pride which stopped him from giving up.
And we got a hand-out which described the project and it talked about a triple step, triple step wedge theory. And quite frankly I really hadn't the foggiest idea what they were talking about, so it was extremely intimidating, the first couple of sessions and I thought I was really out of my depth. In fact I've invented what I call the Green's Taxonomy of Patient involvement. I've actually done this in a PowerPoint and I present it at times if I'm asked to present about PPI work, I present this. It starts off with utter bewilderment: what am I doing here? I haven't the foggiest idea! Dear me, I'm out of my depth, you know. Let me out of here. And then slowly begin to acclimatise to what, what's happening. And then eventually you reach the stage where you understand most of it and you feel, I call it the breakthrough moment when you think, 'OK I know where I'm at, I know what I can do, I know my limitations, what can I do to push the project forward?' And that's really when you start being productive.
And what prevented you from running away after that first meeting?
Pride.
Right.
I don't like giving up on things. If I commit myself to something I like to see it through unless it's painful in which case obviously not.
There was general agreement that it was unreasonable to get people along to a meeting or invite them to review or comment on a document without any training in how to do it, or at least clear guidance about what was expected (see also ‘What activities and tasks are involved’). Kath thought that lack of clear guidance also created problems for researchers. Kath said, ‘If people have a very clear idea of what would be really useful for them to do, they will cooperate with that and do it. I think the danger of the hobby horse riding is most apparent where there is not a clear guide to what is wanted from people and what they can usefully contribute, and then they tend to fall back on what they always say.’ Jennifer, Catherine and Helen all commented on how demotivating it can be not to get feedback on what you have contributed and whether it’s been useful.
Helen doesn’t know if her involvement has made a difference. If people don’t get feedback on how they’ve contributed they may not feel motivated to continue.
Helen doesn’t know if her involvement has made a difference. If people don’t get feedback on how they’ve contributed they may not feel motivated to continue.
I wouldn't say that it annoys me massively but, I do recognise it from my own research that that is a very, very important part of the process that isn't happening. And I think, actually, that may well be one of the major parts of the process that keeps people participating’ essentially. Participating because you understand what's going on is great, and then being encouraged to participate is great, and then being supported in your participation is great. Enjoying the participation; fantastic. But, you need to understand what it is that you've done with your participation, you need to know. It's not patting somebody on the head but, it's saying "Thank you for what you've done, that was really useful, more of the same would be great, and this is what we have changed in light of all the comments we received." And even [if] it's just generalised, even if it's only something that's been sent round as 'We have received lots of comments, no names mentioned, these were the comments we received and this is what has changed.' I think that is hugely important, yeah.
It’s still hard to understand what’s being discussed. Jennifer gets little feedback and sometimes wonders if anybody really values what she says.
It’s still hard to understand what’s being discussed. Jennifer gets little feedback and sometimes wonders if anybody really values what she says.
I sometimes feel am I there because they really want me to be there, or am I there because I, they have to have PPI? You know, do they really want us there? At the end of the day, you know, you're thinking, 'Well, I'm doing all this work, are they really listening to what I'm saying here?' Although, like I said, there was one, that the last study I did they have taken it on-board, they have taken it off and they are re-doing it just to see if they can, you know, recruit more patients, so yeah.
Yes so we've, I've had one feedback all the time you know.
In the last five years.
In the past five years from one, from one researcher yeah.
And how does it feel not getting feedback?
Mm well you think to yourself, 'Has this been labour in vain? Have you just looked at it and just thrown this, you know, not bothered,' I don't know, you just feel, 'Has it been worthwhile?' It would be nice to have had some sort of feedback to see how our comments, you know, what are their thoughts on our comments but no, not many.
And how do you think that could be changed?
I think, I mentioned at the end of the study and the comments, perhaps the end of the study, they could put their findings in more of, like an ordinary newsletter, a forum newsletter where everybody can see it rather than the British Journal, you know the scientific journals where nobody sees those magazines much, not many.
A common problem when people first start getting involved is the use of technical language and jargon, acronyms and abbreviations (shortened versions of organisations names, drug names or even surgical procedures). Sometimes this is to be expected; as Charles said, ‘You have to accept that a lot of this jargon is shorthand and if we're going to have a discussion on a research proposal and not die of malnutrition, we need some kind of shorthand.’ But people complained that a lack of explanation of terms used could leave them feeling left out of the discussion; providing a ‘jargon buster’ glossary and banning the use of acronyms in meetings can help. As Andrew suggests, this sense of isolation can be made worse if you are the only lay person present in a meeting, or if the meeting is badly chaired so people don’t get a chance to speak or ask questions.
It can be difficult to contribute effectively to a scientific meeting if it is not well chaired.
It can be difficult to contribute effectively to a scientific meeting if it is not well chaired.
Is that a strategy you would advise other patients or lay members to…?
Oh very definitely, very definitely.
Yeah.
I also believe that good Chairs will do that automatically, would actually turn to the patients in the room and say, you know, "Have any of you got a comment you'd like to make?" And I've been in the position now of chairing meetings where patients are present and that's something I particularly make a point of doing, but sadly not every Chair will do that. But, getting there beforehand and making him aware/her aware, very important.
At the first few meetings Andrew felt excluded by the jargon used, even though people were welcoming. It helped that he was not the only lay person.
At the first few meetings Andrew felt excluded by the jargon used, even though people were welcoming. It helped that he was not the only lay person.
Roger A has had some training through a research network. The biggest difficulty is dealing with jargon.
Roger A has had some training through a research network. The biggest difficulty is dealing with jargon.
To lay patients?
I think they call it the Lay Patients Programme. But…
What sort of… what did you learn? What was the kind of syllabus of these training courses? And who was on them with you?
The biggest difficulty, I think, for the lay person is to go into a very rarefied, very academic environment and learn the language. To try and coax the social and health care professional to speak in good plain English. Jargon is terrible but at the same time, you do, because it’s a complex subject you do need a shorthand, so it’s almost like learning another language in some instances. I’ve got a favourite expression is that looking at some of the documentation within research is like trying to read a Polish opticians eye chart.
DeNDRoN for someone like me, what is DeNDRoN?
Dementia and Neurodegenerative Diseases Research Organisations Network.
The nature of health research is that many of the people who want to get involved may have continuing health problems or caring responsibilities which affect what they are able to do. Talking about research into serious illness can also stir up strong emotions. Elsewhere we explore in more detail some of the personal costs of involvement. The need for preparation and support for dealing with any emotional situations which may arise is discussed in ‘Training and learning’, though many people won’t find this a problem.
As a single parent, Catherine’s caring responsibilities limit what she can take on.
As a single parent, Catherine’s caring responsibilities limit what she can take on.
You may need to be prepared to be upset sometimes by what you hear.
You may need to be prepared to be upset sometimes by what you hear.
So people who want to be involved, need to actually be aware that they are putting themselves in that position and that they may need to be prepared for that. And researchers need to realise that they may need to support people who find out things that are distressing to them.
One of the things that I bring to my involvement is the fact that I was very damaged through the experience of, of caring for my son. And so I do come to this with wounds. And some of these research projects have occasionally stuck sharp sticks into those wounds and, and it has been very upsetting sometimes. But that’s fine, that’s part of what I’m doing and I, I need to be able to deal with that.
Some of the things researchers present can be scary, but it’s necessary because otherwise you could get a bit blasé.
Some of the things researchers present can be scary, but it’s necessary because otherwise you could get a bit blasé.
And when researchers come to your meetings and they show things that are cringe making or, you know, things that you don't want to see, what, what do you mean by that?
Well we had one recently and it was to do with head and neck cancers I think. And he showed us some slides of some pretty horrendous looking tumours and that and… Something I'd rather not see to be honest, but it nails home, you know, why crikey we need to do something to stop this sort of thing happening or at least give best outcomes for that patient.
And do you think that that was necessary?
Yes I do because you could always get to be a bit blasé about the whole thing if you're not careful, and it's good every now and then to be brought back down to earth and see, you know, what, what it's all about really. So this, this is purely obviously for cancer research. Other research areas I imagine would be pretty much the same. You need to know every now and then why you're doing it.
Many people had developed strong partnerships with researchers and really enjoyed the relationship. They felt valued and listened to, and loved hearing about the latest research. However, if involvement is done badly, there is a risk that people will be put off and give up. Kath encouraged researchers to be more thoughtful about the needs of the people they ask to get involved, and to ask for feedback on what their experience has been. Marney said it was frustrating, irritating and rude when people didn’t acknowledge her input. In ‘The costs of being involved and payment’ we look at what people said about their financial needs, but researchers also need to think about other organisational issues such as how travel is arranged; timing and location of meetings; accessible venues; catering; timing of deadlines for comments on documents; how and when to get documents to people (by post, by email); making sure people don’t have to wait a long time for expenses to be paid back. (See also ‘Representing a range of views and experiences: diversity’). Having the support of an effective involvement coordinator can be a real help, and it was often pointed out that organisations need to set aside a proper budget, so they can fund involvement early on, before a study has been funded.
Researchers need to think about how to include a wider range of people. Payment is one way to support people with different needs.
Researchers need to think about how to include a wider range of people. Payment is one way to support people with different needs.
And it's alright to ask, you know, to ask people, "Can you explain this to me?" People want to help you know but you have to ask and being in the PPI is asking for other people who are not, who can't be there because unfortunately within the PPI you get a lot of people like me, white retired people who've got time and how do we get the voices for the people who are hard to get? They've got to earn a living, they've got to go out there and, and they've got children, they need babysitters and they can't just afford financially. We've got to find a way of getting their voice heard somehow – that's another little bone that I've picked up on. That I'm gnawing on.
And have you any ideas about how to do that?
Well I think, I mean when we have our meetings, they're great meetings if you want to get involved in PPI. We start at eleven o'clock, we have lunch and finish at two o'clock. That's a great work day [laughs]. And they do help us out by giving us fares and we can claim back fares and things like that and they make it quite easy. I don't personally because I've got a bus pass you see, but young people they've got to get there. I think there might be something where they can give some sort of amount of money, which isn't working, I don't know, fifty pounds a day, you know, just, just to so that they can pay someone to look after their children. I don't want it to be, become an industry where it's a factory. But we're going to get the same boring people that retired, people who've got the time and the inclination, we've got to get to people joining PPI who can't do it. We've got to make it, we've got to like we do for the disabled, we enable them by putting slopes there for the wheelchairs and we have now enabled people so that they're in our society more. And we've got to do the same for this with the PPI, we've got, their voice has got to be heard in the medical bits and so the way to enable them is to have some kind of little bursary that when they come to meetings they can do it without financial loss.
And people who are on your group are they all similar to you, that you know you said that usually people are white, retired, you know I don't know if you said middle-class?
I didn't say middle class but [laughs] I don't think I'm middle class, see? A builder, you know, doing, digging the trenches and things you know.
Poor experiences of involvement can put people off. Kath is encouraged that researchers they know are learning from mistakes.
Poor experiences of involvement can put people off. Kath is encouraged that researchers they know are learning from mistakes.
I think one of the things is about actually, I think we have covered it to some extent – we were talking about people having their expectations baffled and, and not getting feedback and what have you. But actually there is a real issue about people who get put off of involvement through having poor experiences and I think there is something about needing to, researchers needing to think about what the needs of their participants are. I mean some of that is like really practical things about access and you don’t invite a dozen diabetics to come to a meeting 50 miles from home, and then not offer them a biscuit when you get there. You know, it’s, it’s those sort of things that, that do make a big difference and do have an impact, and so there is something about actually researchers asking for feedback about what the quality of the involvement was and giving feedback, as we talked about before to the participants immediately.
So there is, there is a learning process. That’s one of the things I’ve really enjoyed about working here, is that I do feel that there is a learning process going on. When mistakes are made they’re not sort of like, “Oh we mustn’t ever talk about that again”. That’s talked about and discussed and learned how to move on from that. And I think that’s something that, that needs to be done much better.
It’s disheartening if researchers don’t listen or show appreciation, and if little thought is given to the time and effort people have to put in.
It’s disheartening if researchers don’t listen or show appreciation, and if little thought is given to the time and effort people have to put in.
Rather than you having to ask?
Upfront rather than you having to ask, which is the sort of take home point. And then where it isn't, it's mostly just people who have forgotten about it or other things have intruded but, yes… I mean one study I was taking part in, the conversation came up obliquely and I mean I'd been involved with the project for well over six months, and the researcher suddenly said, "Ooh well yes, I'm sure we've got a component for your fares if you would like it?" And sometimes the timing of things is not, well I mean you have to make your timing fit with everybody else's professional life, which I think you just have to accept. But they have to be aware that, for some people who may be physically more frail, they ought to be trying to think about how people get into the building and whether the room's warm enough and all those sort of physically comfortable things.
These days Tom feels his views are actively asked for and it’s not a tick-box exercise, but ‘there’s still dinosaurs out there’.
These days Tom feels his views are actively asked for and it’s not a tick-box exercise, but ‘there’s still dinosaurs out there’.
Well we have come across that in the past and it still does exist – not just in research but in other areas as, as well. "Do you have patient and public involvement?" "Oh yes, aye I spoke to so and so on the phone," it's ticked off whatever. So yes, there is – I have to say I've been probably fortunate where anything that I've been involved in , my view and my opinion, if I haven't offered it, it has been asked. There were occasions where you felt, way, way back when I first got involved, one or two situations where that could have been, you know, the tick box situation but I always managed to get my, my say in things. And I think it, I think it's now, from my perspective, you can't go to a meeting or anything like that and, and hide because more and more your opinion and your view is being asked for. And it gets to the stage where if, I mean I've been at meetings where I've more or less, for quite a lot of time, everything has been said and, "Oh that's fine oh I agree with that," and during the course of the meeting the Chair has said, "Tom you're very quiet, have you got nothing to say?" So you can't hide, you know which is good because then we're getting away from the, the tick box situation there. But it still does exist in areas – some of my colleagues have experienced it but I've been quite fortunate in that, you know, my opinion has been asked for if I am sitting quietly and drinking my tea.
I mean there's still, with all due respect, there's still dinosaurs out there who think, 'Oh no they shouldn't be involved, you know, we'll tell them what to do and what, what's best for them,' you know. But among the ones who have come out of the dark ages then yes it's very much accepted because a lot of them won't progress or won't proceed with their proposals or their studies or whatever without contacting consumers.
Involvement can sometimes make Sharon feel ‘disheartened, dissatisfied and disappointed’, especially when researchers treat it as a tick-box exercise.
Involvement can sometimes make Sharon feel ‘disheartened, dissatisfied and disappointed’, especially when researchers treat it as a tick-box exercise.
And you know when things are frustrating and you're disappointed and so on – what are the kinds of things that spark that?
Oh probably where people don't, probably where committee members don't understand what PPI actually is and they see it as a tick box exercise or it's something they have to do rather than something they actually value.
That would probably be quite frustrating or I think I talked about before, when people say about ‘using’ patients for research. I just find that disappointing and it's good people just think about ‘involving’ patients or ‘engaging’ patients. But that word ‘using’, I just dislike it yeah.
There were mixed views on whether the younger generation of researchers or more senior investigators understood involvement better; either way, people felt the attitude of individual researchers was crucial in promoting or resisting involvement. Dave G suspected some patients had been less supportive and encouraging towards academic partners than he had, and were ‘frightened of putting the wrong foot forward.’ Marney added that people might be reluctant to say anything critical while they or a family member were still having treatment.
It’s often assumed more senior researchers are more sceptical about involvement, but Brin has found some are very open to it.
It’s often assumed more senior researchers are more sceptical about involvement, but Brin has found some are very open to it.
Why's that?
Because I think, you know, I'm like anybody else, I had a stereotypical view of senior academics. There have been one or two people who have reinforced that stereotype recently but I've got, woe betide them because my self-confidence is back and I've managed to show them the error of their ways. But there are other academics who have been very, very humble in their acknowledgement of room to improve, put it that way.
David Z heard a presentation at an INVOLVE conference about why researchers find involvement difficult. He thinks some of it is an excuse and could be easily addressed.
David Z heard a presentation at an INVOLVE conference about why researchers find involvement difficult. He thinks some of it is an excuse and could be easily addressed.
Some of it was due to a lack of understanding of what might be expected of them. Some of it was due to the feeling that they hadn’t had any training. But my own experience is that if you approach people and share with them what your objectives are, it’s not difficult for people to then respond to that and to try to improve on anything that you might, might produce and I wonder whether it’s an easy excuse.
I recently read a paper, only this week, that was published in the Nurse Researcher and had been forwarded to me. And this was about a research engagement at a university where there was an active engagement with patients and carers and they called it the… Patient Carer Advisory Group and they discussed some of the difficulties that they had experienced. Some of it was budgetary and the fact that they hadn’t anticipated the additional cost that it would be. But if people then read that paper and respond to it, and in their initial proposal include sufficient budgets to enable participation, you know, someone who has suffered a stroke may need a carer to attend with them, so travelling costs or hiring of appropriate accommodation may be greater and this came out in the paper.
But as a consequence the researchers felt that their research had been improved and that the, there was conflict between them and the patient group because the patient group wanted to edit some of the contributions by some of the subjects in the research. I think if ground rules are set by the researcher and the advisory group, then there should be no problems.
It’s understandable that researchers find it hard to let other people question their plans, but they need to involve people much earlier.
It’s understandable that researchers find it hard to let other people question their plans, but they need to involve people much earlier.
I think, so I think that really the answer to the question is that this is huge educational process and it's probably not something that many researchers, particularly in the natural sciences, actually come across until they’re well in to a research career. It may be a bit more familiar in some other areas, but I'm not even sure about that. So, I think, I think that one of the tasks that we really have to do is to work with researchers not just about the mechanism for involving patients, because I get quite a lot of that – I mean I do get, you know, invitations at, at the thirteenth hour of a research proposal to help find some patients to get involved in this because ‘we hadn't thought about it until now’ kind of thing, you know. We need to start, knock that on its head because, I mean if we're spending the best part of a billion pounds a year of public money on research that needs to start from the needs of individuals and the population. Patients and the public to be involved in that dialogue.
Involving people at the last minute is bound to be ineffective and unsatisfying for everyone.
Involving people at the last minute is bound to be ineffective and unsatisfying for everyone.
It's certainly been a steep learning curve. It has thrown up a number of points around issues of what constitutes good practice in this area and how some people involve patients very well and other people have not really taken the time to think through what participating could mean for this patient. It needs to be fleshed out a bit more fully than, ‘Well they said they wanted to so let's get on with it’. So certainly everybody tends to find it more satisfactory if people are involved in the conversation from the beginning. I've been involved in one or two things where the patient has been brought in quite well down the organisation or route and then where they raise issues, which are acknowledged as valid, but which run contrary to the sort of direction in which things are moving at present. It's just too difficult in terms of time spent and finances spent and where everybody's head space is, to turn things around to do it better. So involving people at the beginning is really important and making the effort to foster the communication, the team work, and the attention to detail so that you move forward as a close knit team. Everybody then finds it very exhilarating and my experience is not only do the individuals find this rewarding but I've seen researchers get really very excited about how real the whole thing seems as opposed to sort of theoretical and academic. So they can start to see how the research they're doing is really going to benefit people so it gives a sort of extra sort of brilliance to it. It makes it more exciting and engaging.
Asking the right questions
As Derek noted above, sometimes difficulties came from patients’ own expectations or behaviour, and several people had examples of times where lay people came along with their own agenda, which could be disruptive – ‘hobby horse riding’, as Kath called it. Of course researchers may also come with their own agenda, and sometimes challenging researchers’ assumptions is exactly what’s needed; whether this is interpreted as disruptive or appropriate may depend on your perspective. Again, Derek argued training could help direct people’s energy, ‘but it's not about training them in a sense of training them to be an awkward squad, but actually training to ask fundamental questions’.
People who ‘have one angle to push’ can be frustrating for everyone.
People who ‘have one angle to push’ can be frustrating for everyone.
That's an interesting point and I sort of hadn't thought about that before.
A team has a dynamic. And as I've said before communication, teamwork, attention to detail helps make it work. But there's always occasions where you will get the personality clash and you have to, you have to have a strategy to deal with that. And just as some people are still not, they haven't really got their heart in the project of really using patients. It's just something they sort of feel, 'Well I've got to do it,' rather than really believing in it. So there are equally some patients who just have one angle to push and who aren't able to take a more general outlook on something. And they're a problem as well.
You need to be challenging and assertive and stand up for your point of view when you feel dismissed.
You need to be challenging and assertive and stand up for your point of view when you feel dismissed.
So being able to confront, it's not about confrontation, but it's about, you know, being able to disagree without being confrontational, but certainly you have to be able to confront people at times if their attitudes or behaviour seem, you know, unacceptable, if they're overlooking a patient point of view. But it's having ways of introducing things that you feel are important or maybe something's been overlooked or been dismissed that you want to kind of get on the agenda, get discussed then you need ways of feeling comfortable about doing that and hanging on in there. And something that I probably haven't got enough of or done enough of, but would be good to do, is in actually getting feedback. "OK so if you remember I said this last time? Well what’s act…you know, what's actually happened as a result?" Have, you know, people will often come back to you and say when they haven't been able to do something. It's just not, you know, it's been a reason for it and you may challenge the reason but if it's real then that's OK. Say, "OK well next time let's get that into the funding earlier," or you know whatever the issue might be.
Rosie enjoys working with others, but it can be challenging. She feels for the researchers when other users have a confrontational agenda.
Rosie enjoys working with others, but it can be challenging. She feels for the researchers when other users have a confrontational agenda.
So it's not so much that I've been upset by the things that I've done, it's more like the, you know, in trying to have a discussion about something with a bunch of other mental health service users, you know, we've practically had world war three declared or something, do you know what I mean?
You know I think it's part of the territory and actually that's probably the most difficult thing to manage, you know, that people, some people are, you know, I mean not only have they got, you know, views that you don't agree with that other users don't agree with but they've got their own agenda, they're here to get, you know, to make their point about X whether X has got anything to do with why anybody else is in the room or not. You know and you and other people have got to try and deal with that, you know, so I think that's the, that's the more current emotional difficulties and I think those are some of the reasons that public involvement is challenging because some people, some, you know, as with any group of people some people are easier to work with, are more co-operative, are more able to join and, you know, say things but be part of something and some other people are much confrontative or oppositional or critical, you know, and managing that, you know, can…I mean I've been in mental health meetings where people have, you know, they've been poor researchers doing something and some service user has said, you know, "You're like the bloody Nazis." I mean that's really difficult to be, now I know, you know, you can, you can intellectually, you know that that person's had a bad experience, they've felt, you know, controlled by mental health; you know you can understand it but in that moment, I mean a) that's horrible for those professionals to just get all that anger, you know, and far worse than that I have to say, I've heard, you know but that's a real difficult, but even if you do understand it you've still got to manage the situation and there are lots of other people who are all going, "Oh my god," you know. That's why it's hard.
Last reviewed July 2017.
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