Heart failure
Access to health professionals between appointments
It was common for people to be told that they could contact a health professional in between scheduled appointments if they needed to, and many had done so. For some it was an emergency situation, such as suspecting a heart attack, or their nitrate tablets or spray had not cured their angina pain, so they had phoned 999 or gone to A&E or called out their GP from a nearby surgery. Peter said that by calling the GP out of hours service their journey through A&E could be speeded up even if they were not taken in by ambulance.
An ambulance had been called for Richard 3 or 4 times because of heart problems before his condition was stabilised.
An ambulance had been called for Richard 3 or 4 times because of heart problems before his condition was stabilised.
Generally, I have not had any sudden changes of my symptoms in between seeing my GP in the last two to three years. There were times previously when I was not on the current regime that I am now on the tablets, and the patterns of tablets that I was taking were obviously not the optimum for me, and I had several emergency admissions to the local hospital—999 call, and I had got very low blood pressure or I had got something else, and GTN (glyceryl trinitrate) tablets had not cured it. And so, I might have high blood pressure and GTN tablets bring down the blood pressure. But I had still got major heart problems and the people I was with just phoned and got an ambulance. And there were three or four of those over several years, in the years from about 2003, 4, 5 through to about 2010.
If Tim suspects he is having another heart attack he contacts his GP surgery because it is only 5 minutes away and he gets help more quickly than by phoning for an ambulance.
If Tim suspects he is having another heart attack he contacts his GP surgery because it is only 5 minutes away and he gets help more quickly than by phoning for an ambulance.
Most of the GPs in this area are first responders and they all, in the cars they carry, I don’t know if is it a defibrillator, it’s one of those machines that gives you a jolt anyway if you’re, and they strap you up to it and then the machine starts talking to you, ‘Please do not touch the patient while I’m arming’, which is a little bit oh [laughter]. But yeah within, within five minutes, I would say, I can have a GP here within general working time, other than that it’s about 20 minutes for an ambulance to get here.
He doesn't like to call his heart failure nurse at anti-social hours.
He doesn't like to call his heart failure nurse at anti-social hours.
Oh I think there's times that I, I'm..quite passive with my illness, I will accept it and hang on and hold back. And I said I would never never do that but I do realise that... although things seem very bad for me at times, they're not as bad as what I'm assuming. I know that, I realise that they are part of the illness. And I also realise that I've got all the medication I can get for this, so unless its a drastic event or happening or uh, I should be OK. I should get through to the morning, but I know I can always get the emergency service; I have always had that. It would be great to think there was somebody on call, not in their bed sleeping when you phone them, but sitting at a desk or something, who could serve the same purpose. But that's too much to expect because you can't get a doctor never mind get a specialist.
If he feels poorly Daniel’s first port of call is his specialist nurse but he would like access to her out of normal working hours when he has to call his transplant team instead.
If he feels poorly Daniel’s first port of call is his specialist nurse but he would like access to her out of normal working hours when he has to call his transplant team instead.
Who would you contact?
Probably the heart failure nurse at first. But that's only, I can only contact her in normal working hours Monday to Friday. But after that, the transplant centre, straight away, and ask to speak to a consultant.
So you could phone them round the clock, could you?
Yeah. Yeah. If anything significant, they'd just tell me to come straight there.
How quickly do you think you would do that if you were worried?
Almost, straight away. There's been a few times when I, when I've called them.
What made you do that?
Just because I felt dreadful [laugh].
In what sort of way? Can you describe it?
It's difficult to describe, because I never get pain. It just, when I'm at the lowest and I feel ill, it's almost like having flu, times ten. You feel awful. And then the classic symptoms of heart failure come back, like, you know, you can't lie down on your back without gasping for breath, or you wake up gasping for breath. You feel your heart pounding away and you start to hold onto fluid.
I don't think there's really much, much more that, that they could do for me, apart from me being assigned, you know, a nurse 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I think I'm really, really well looked after. Really well monitored.
The, I do have a gripe, with it being the weekend. If I've got a problem at the weekend, then there's only really the transplant team. The out, out-of-hours obviously the GP surgery you can call. I wouldn’t, and if I want, you know, to, I would want to avoid casualty sometimes. And there's, I can't, there's no heart failure nurse you can call for advice at the weekend. So weekends can be a little bit… I don’t know what the word is.
Do you worry about the weekends, or do you…?
No, I don't worry. But like there's been a few times sometimes when I've felt I've needed to speak to the nurse, and I've not been able to, so I've had to wait until Monday. Sometimes, initially when I was going into heart failure, I suffered with the panic attacks. I've no idea why. Apparently the doctor said it was something to do with the heart rhythms just causing, causing them. But there was also a lot of anxiety involved as well. And when I, when I feel ill, I can feel very anxious. But sometimes, just a five minute conversation with the heart failure nurse can stop that, and I can feel almost really well straight, you know, I can feel better straight away. Just, just a professional voice, just to reassure you, calm you down. But sometimes, obviously I can't always have that at the weekend.
Feels he can contact his heart failure nurse anytime.
Feels he can contact his heart failure nurse anytime.
Finds his heart failure nurse extremely helpful and reassuring.
Finds his heart failure nurse extremely helpful and reassuring.
He finds his heart failure nurse reassuring and honest about his prognosis.
He finds his heart failure nurse reassuring and honest about his prognosis.
I think the things I would like to ask him about heart failure I've already asked the cardiac nurse who was very forthright and I said 'you're a morbid devil, aren't you?' I kind of said what's likely, how's it going to end up and he was quite frank about probably the 2 things that might happen. And put my mind, would you say rest, I don't know? But puts you in an idea of what's, you know you like to know a bit about it.
Contacting their consultant or GP between appointments was another option, which some did when they experienced a new symptom episode. Beth requested a new referral to a cardiologist because a planned follow-up consultation had not happened and she was experiencing a new symptom episode. Although she was being regularly monitored in primary care, she had felt abandoned by the hospital and would prefer to see a specialist heart failure nurse about her heart condition.
Although it is relatively easy to make an appointment with a GP, people may still lack confidence about consulting them for things which may seem trivial because they lack awareness of what to look out for. One man said he felt guilty when he contacted the GP about non-specific symptoms, whereas the doctor said she was pleased to see him. Making an appointment to speak to a hospital specialist is more difficult, so being given permission to phone a consultant between appointments was greatly valued. One man said he had felt able to do this with a previous consultant with whom he had a very good relationship, but not with his current one (see ‘Satisfaction with health professionals’).
He apologised for bothering his GP when concerned about a bad throat but she was glad because she hadn’t seen him for over two years.
He apologised for bothering his GP when concerned about a bad throat but she was glad because she hadn’t seen him for over two years.
She felt that her consultant was particularly accessible because he was involved in a support group that she attended.
She felt that her consultant was particularly accessible because he was involved in a support group that she attended.
Richard had been advised that if three doses of glyceryl trinitrate spray didn’t stop his angina pain he should phone for an ambulance.
Richard had been advised that if three doses of glyceryl trinitrate spray didn’t stop his angina pain he should phone for an ambulance.
I’ve had instructions of that kind, yes. I carry GTN (glyceryl trinitrate) all the time. And I haven’t had any GTN for several years now. The instruction with GTN is if you get chest pains such as angina then you take two squirts of GTN under your tongue, and then if that doesn’t cure it within five minutes, take two more squirts. If that doesn’t cure it within another five minutes, then at the ten-minute point take two more squirts, and then if it hasn’t cured it by quarter of an hour, phone for an ambulance and straight into hospital.
What if it wasn’t pain that you were having, what if it was breathlessness or something?
That’s for chest pain, for angina.
What if you suddenly felt much more breathless than you do normally, what would you do?
For breathlessness, the basic statement is rest and lie down and get your breath back slowly.
Would you call for help at all?
I’ve never had to call for help for breathlessness, no. But obviously, if I was severely breathless then I suppose, you know, it’s ambulance and into hospital.
Peter’s specialist nurses had told him not to hesitate to seek help if he was at all concerned about symptoms and he wouldn’t be wasting anyone’s time by doing so.
Peter’s specialist nurses had told him not to hesitate to seek help if he was at all concerned about symptoms and he wouldn’t be wasting anyone’s time by doing so.
Well, certainly, let me think, well, it’s partly common sense but and obviously talking to others and knowing other people’s experiences, but yeah, the nurses, the specialist nurses, are very open and say, “If there’s any problem whatever, contact us and if you do end up in casualty on your own initiative and been, you know, with chest pain”, and there have been several instances where that hasn’t been a problem but I’ve gone in, didn’t know there wasn’t a problem but, and then you feel, ‘Oh, have I wasted people’s time?’ You speak to the specialists there at casualty and they say you didn’t waste their time. “It wasn’t a mistake and with your background, if you suspect any problems, you come in and you don’t take a risk. You just come in and we’ll understand. We understand.” Sometimes you can ring the GP out of hours service and they’ll, if they feel it’s serious, they can get you into the casualty system quicker than just waiting in the waiting room, even if you’re not an ambulance case. And so you pick up these bits of advice but the specialist nurses at the two areas I’ve mentioned are, you know, they say, “Don’t hesitate, you can always ring.”
Mike said he would phone his specialist nurse if he was having problems breathing or walking.
Mike said he would phone his specialist nurse if he was having problems breathing or walking.
If I had, if I was having problems perhaps breathing, or walking, I would phone straight away, you know, I would, like, wait, I, perhaps I’d wait a couple of days but I wouldn’t wait any longer, you know. I’d phone straightaway, you know.
Who would you phone?
I’d phone the cardiac nurse, you know. If I had a problem with my defib then I’d phone the other nurse, you know. But I’d phone the cardiac nurse. If I couldn’t get hold of her I’d phone the GP, you know, and have a chat with him, you know.
Summary added in April 2016.
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