Alport Syndrome
Alport Syndrome and kidney dialysis
Dialysis was commonly talked about by those people with Alport Syndrome who had experienced kidney failure. Dialysis is usually started when a person’s Glomerular Filtration Rate (GFR) is less than 10-15 (less than 10 is also called Chronic Kidney Disease stage 5). Patrick described dialysis as “doing the work a kidney should do for you”; cleaning the blood of toxins and removing excess fluid. Not everyone with Alport Syndrome spoke about dialysis though, and people like Jayne and Michelle only spoke about it in relation to their children (not themselves) and whether their children might need dialysis in the future. Deborah said she thought she may never need dialysis or that it will be a “very long, long time away” at least. Lucy felt that blood pressure medication could significantly delay kidney failure for her children. Patrick hoped to avoid dialysis completely by having a transplant when his kidneys failed. Diane’s partner Neil donated her a kidney so she “just missed” dialysis.
Professor Neil Turner explains the history and development of dialysis and transplantation.
Professor Neil Turner explains the history and development of dialysis and transplantation.
Professor Neil Turner explains the different types of dialysis treatment available.
Professor Neil Turner explains the different types of dialysis treatment available.
Alison explains what haemodialysis and peritoneal dialysis are and why PD worked best for her.
Alison explains what haemodialysis and peritoneal dialysis are and why PD worked best for her.
Whereas on peritoneal dialysis, you could drink as much as you wanted. Plus because I was able to do this at home, it allowed me to be able to still work full-time. Plus it - for going - you could still go on holiday when you were on dialysis, but if you were on haemodialysis you were limited to where you'd go. You'd have to go somewhere that had a hospital that would allow you go to in and dialyse. So, PD - the peritoneal - worked a lot better for me, because I could go anywhere. So it just meant a lot of organising between the hospital and your destination, to ensure all your supplies were there for your arrival. But going back to the explaining what it is. With peritoneal dialysis you have to dialyse four times a day every day. So you quickly got into a routine, and you dialysed in the morning before work. And that would take - takes about half an hour each time. And basically you have a bag of fluid which you would hang up onto a drip stand. And you connect the bag to your, your dialysis tube, which goes into your peritoneum. And you would drain that fluid into your peritoneum. And then you would leave it for minimum of two hours, maximum of eight. And then you would drain that out. And then once you've drained out, you drain another bag in. So you're repeating that process four times a day.Dee explains how she made her mind up between haemodialysis or PD.
Dee explains how she made her mind up between haemodialysis or PD.
My kidney nurse, she took us to meetings. And we had meetings at Kidney Foundation, and there was a few other people there that were on dialysis. So I got to ask them what they thought about it, and what have you. But people who are on haemodialysis will say to you "You should go on haemodialysis." And people on peritoneal say "You should go on peritoneal." So technically at the end really I made my own mind up, because there were pluses for each thing. And I just thought for myself. I didn't really want to go to hospital three times a week, I wanted to be in control. And I think that's what keeps positive, I'm in control of my treatment. It's like when I go to the hospital now for a check-up, and they go to touch my tube - I'm like "No, I'll - I'll do that. What do you want?" But it's my - I keep it clean, and I know my hands are clean. I know that, you know - whereas they might forget, and rub their eye and then touch my tube. And, you know, so. [name] of course, she's the kidney nurse, she knows not to do that. But generally at the hospital. But we're allowed to do that, like [name] says, "You look after your tube, that's your - you know - you responsibility."
For Peritoneal Dialysis a catheter is usually inserted into the abdomen to allow dialysis fluid to be pumped into the peritoneal cavity. A few people spoke about having needle phobias. Karen said she applies anaesthetic cream before each dialysis session and has had Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) – a type of talking therapy commonly used for anxiety. Debra said she had an “absolute fear of needles” having seen them in the house when her dad dialysed. People using Peritoneal Dialysis talked about having a nurse visit to check everything was ok or going into the dialysis unit every few weeks and they could call the kidney nurse or on call nurse 24 hours a day.
Sometimes, people said they didn’t have a choice between haemodialysis or PD because they needed dialysis very rapidly and there was little time. People spoke about being rushed onto dialysis and things happening quickly. Alison said it was a bit of a shock when her consultant phoned to say she needed to be booked in very soon to have an operation “to have a catheter inserted into your abdomen, to start you on dialysis”.
Steve was rushed into hospital with six percent kidney function.
Steve was rushed into hospital with six percent kidney function.
The hospital wanted Richard Y to start dialysis much sooner than he expected.
The hospital wanted Richard Y to start dialysis much sooner than he expected.
So I went to my Mum's. I got home, the next morning I had a phone call the hospital that fitted my dialysis access. They'd got my blood results back, and my levels of creatinine were so high - they were about two thousand - that they wanted me to start dialysis straight away. Normally, they'd leave it for a week or two, to try and heal up, to prevent hernias. But they said I had two options. Come in, lay in bed and start this dialysis process. Or have dialysis access fitted into my chest, for haemodialysis. So being a coward and all, I though a week in bed would be fantastic. So, just two days after coming out of hospital as well, I was back in the same place again. And that night, connected up to peritoneal dialysis machine and I started my first dialysis session. Not really knowing how serious it was. I don't know if that was that I didn't take it seriously, or the dialysis staff - the specialist PD nurses - didn't explain it well enough, or I was just not really paying attention, or I thought that something would just, I'd just get better. I'm not sure. And I think it being such a short process of test, test, test, test, join the transplant list, have access fitted, start dialysis, that I just think my mind just went 'I'm not having any of this, I'm gonna take a break and you can deal with this body, while we get ourselves sorted out'. So I spent about four or five days I think, - I definitely spent the weekend in there. And at the same time, they - they trained me, so I could be sent home and start the treatment again. So as soon as they felt I was competent. And also they'd had some good dialysis results from me, they were happy then to send me home, because you can recover better, feel more relaxed. Angela felt decisions about her dialysis were made very quickly and she didn’t really understand the implications of everything.
Angela felt decisions about her dialysis were made very quickly and she didn’t really understand the implications of everything.
I think just because I hadn't really seen it going down that path before, I didn't really know what - I didn't actually really know what the implications were of everything. And despite the fact that I'm a lawyer and I ask lots of questions, I don't think I'd asked that many questions at hospital [laugh]. I think a lot of the time I always felt most people who work in the health profession want to help people, and regardless of the fact that you can't completely understand why they're doing things, they probably do have a reason, and that's probably one I've experienced… So you have to give them a bit of trust to get on with it. So I suppose I've largely been led by that, and - over the years. And sort of generally done what they advise. And that was happened with the dialysis, I think. I don't know, but she kind of said "Right, this is what we think you should do." And I just kind of like "Right okay, let's do that, then."Richard Y describes doing home dialysis for the first time.
Richard Y describes doing home dialysis for the first time.
Absolutely terrifying [laughing]. The first night that I set up at home, the dialysis nurse came home with me. I'd been setting my own machine up, and she watched at the hospital. And then when I got home, we set the machine up, we found a clean area, and I set the machine up all ready for when I wanted to connect later on. Could leave it for an hour or so. That was okay. The following night, myself and my partner got everything out, laid it all on the bed, and we just had it on a, a bedside table. It's that convenient, the machine. And we got like a drip stand for extra bags. And we got everything out ready. And we sat there, reading the instructions to each other. Done it half a dozen times, with staff watching me, but this time it was - you're on your own. There were numbers we were given if there was any problems, somebody would come out. But it was - I needed about ten hours for the machine to cycle through. And so I'd want to try and get on it before no later than ten o'clock. So I'd then be able to disconnect at a certain time, get to work. So we like started this at seven o'clock, and it took us about an hour just to make sure we were pressing the right buttons, the right connectors. There was a set procedure that I was given, about washing hands. So I'd wash my hands. I changed my taps so I could have little elbow things, so I wasn't switching taps off. And then as I walked out of the bathroom I got the light cord and switched the light off. And then it's go back and start again, because. I washed my hands, the proper procedure you see in the hospitals. And so for the first week doing it on our own, it was - it was scary. But I think not always being on the phone gave us the confidence that if something went wrong, or we missed a step we could go back and we wouldn't panic, we'd just - right, we know where we are, let's reset and start again. And we got into that. And then after a week or so, this thing that'd take us an hour got us down to ten minutes. And then I started to look logically at going to and from the bathroom, washing my hands and stuff. And I was like 'okay, can do different - move these steps around, and just wash my hands once, do everything, leave it, and then before I connect again, just wash up and then connect'. So, yeah. I gave that back to the nurses, and they just said "Okay, we're still not using that, but you carry on. Whatever's comfortable for you." During that time, my results for clearance on dialysis on that type weren't very good. I was retaining a lot of fluid. And I think that was partly my own fault as well, that I wasn't as strict with my fluid intake. So I suffered with my blood pressure. Paul and Christine explain how Paul had dialysis in between his three transplants.
Paul and Christine explain how Paul had dialysis in between his three transplants.
Christine: [laughing]
Paul: And so I got peritonitis a few times. In the end they was just getting too bad and too painful, so I went back onto haemodialysis. And then - ah, it's gone. And then my Mum actually then dialysed me at home for a few years, had the machine. The room was already set up, because my brother had previously dialysed at home, for a few years. He'd had a transplant. But then I needed it [laughing]. So the room was turned back into a dialysis room, and I dialysed there for a few years. And then in January 1990?
I had my second transplant. And that lasted fourteen years. Again, it wasn't kind of rejection, it just ran out of steam. Basically what I was told, it just - you know - given up. It wasn't rejecting or anything, it'd just given up. So, back on dialysis again. And I was on dialysis for - I went on, back on dialysis in 2004, July. Just at the start of the school holidays. I remember [laughing]. And I was on dialysis for eleven years, until September 2015. And then I had my third transplant. And fifteen months later, touch wood, it's - it's been up and down, but it's working.
Again, yeah. I was in my - I was 20, to - what was it - 20, well 19 to 24. So I - yeah, I was feeling quite strong I think, before that, I was on dialysis. Again, I was still working. I was still doing things, wasn't I. I was quite active still then. I don't think I was - yeah, I don't think I was - I started going downhill at all dramatically on dialysis then. So I was still quite good.
How did you –
Paul: That's how, that's how I felt anyway.
I mean, again - I feel I do alright on dialysis. But when you actually kind of look back, or people look at you, you've got a completely different perspective on how you actually were on dialysis. I feel I was doing things, and getting on with things.
Christine: Yeah.
Paul: But I probably wasn't.
Christine: No, I think you did very well on dialysis.
Paul: I think the fact I was at home, I was dialysing at home at that point. And I - we were living in our - we'd bought a house and we were living together at that point. But I was going back to my Mum's to dialyse, three times a week, in the same town. So I'd go back there, and home dialysis is a lot easier to manage than going backwards and forwards to the hospital. Because you can pick and choose your times, and.
Yeah, can you tell me a bit more about that? Yeah.
Paul: Maybe just - you can work all day, go home, set the machine up, and then you do a bit more into the night. Or you can sort of like - if you want a weekend away, a long weekend away, you can take the Friday off from work, dialyse Friday morning. And then come home late Monday, and dialyse late Monday, so –
Christine: It's more flexible, I suppose, more –
Paul: It's just more flexible, you can change things around a little bit more.
Christine: Yeah.
Paul: So, yeah. Yeah, it was - again, it was a case of adapting, just getting on with it.
Christine: And home comforts. Yeah, all the home comforts are around you, aren't they.
Paul: Yeah. Yeah, the house. I had a nice buzzer that I could pull any time, and it would go in the kitchen, and my Mum would come running up [laughing]. "Just beans on toast, please" [laughing]. Which you could only a do a few times [laughing] before you didn't get anything. So yeah, home dialysis is definitely the better option.Dee describes feeling a lot better when starting dialysis.
Dee describes feeling a lot better when starting dialysis.
Oh, I felt fantastic. First month I was like 'oh my gosh'. You know, everything felt light again. And my head - because I don't know if you've ever been described to you - it's cotton wool brain. And you have this like - and you can't get past this cloudy mugginess. And you're trying to think about something, and the more you think about it, the further away it goes. And it was like that. And halfway through a conversation I'd be like 'what were I talking about?' You know, like I was drunk or something like that. You know, my daughter would say "Are you alright, Mum?" I'd be like "Oh, I just feel a bit - you know." And I used to think 'oh gosh, I hope I'm not getting dementia or something like that'. Because I'd forget, you know, just standard things. But it's because of all the, the rubbish that was in my system. Yeah.Richard X was weighed every time he went for dialysis to see how much fluid he was carrying.
Richard X was weighed every time he went for dialysis to see how much fluid he was carrying.
Yes so all of those things and the diet and everything else was horrible so actually the second time round I was probably a lot more, I was a lot more knowledgeable about what it would involve the actual operation but I was also a lot more grateful I knew I’d be a lot more grateful for having the transplant because part of it I suppose I was a bit older and I knew what it was about but secondly because I’d had such a horrible time for the previous year or two before that, well more actually since my kidney started failing.Alan is weighed at his haemodialysis sessions and he is on a strict diet and low fluid intake.
Alan is weighed at his haemodialysis sessions and he is on a strict diet and low fluid intake.
Ah, right.
So, my dry weight's 97.5 kilos. So, I go in 99. They know to take that off, plus 500ml for the wash bag. They give me iron, in the machine. And I also have what they call a… injection, that's to boost my haemoglobin, the red cells count. Or the oxygen carrying count. You know? So yeah, it - I mean, I remember initially after the accident, and then being transferred from the hospital to the renal unit, how better I felt. And my friends said, "You look so much better." And this is, you know, after my kidney. And I thought, 'yeah'. So it couldn't have been working that well.Angela remembers the alarm on her home dialysis machine going off and her husband ‘poking’ her.
Angela remembers the alarm on her home dialysis machine going off and her husband ‘poking’ her.
[Laughing]
And have to roll over to get off it. I remember the fact that it was really, really annoying if you wanted to go to the loo in the night.
Because you had to like disconnect yourself. And then you had to reconnect yourself back up, and obviously by the time you'd kind of woken up, it wasn't like just. So I do remember thinking 'oh, I need the loo but I can't be bothered to go through all of that'. And then I do remember in the mornings, sometimes feeling a bit sick and unsettled.Mariam remembers doing home dialysis in her bedroom and her sisters keeping her company.
Mariam remembers doing home dialysis in her bedroom and her sisters keeping her company.
And also like I remember like all my sisters were with me upstairs. Because I couldn't come downstairs. Yeah. I remember a funny bit. Every time I needed the toilet, they would - they would all drag the machine [laugh] with me, to the toilet. Because I couldn't actually reach, so. So, but I remember during the day I would have to go to the hospital and get attached to another machine, which was to clean out my bloods. And I can't remember what the other one at home does, but I think that was supposed to help the kidney work. I was only using those machines for, not long actually.
Right.
I can't remember. It was definitely longer than two years, I think. Well I think my Mum said it was only for like sort of months, I but I can't remember. And then they found a donor for me. Yeah. And. I remember when I first heard that, that I had a kidney. It was like I think seven in the morning, I was getting ready for school. And then we got a call, and my Mum answered it.
Cynthia did home dialysis in a Portakabin at home for fifteen years and then switched to CAPD.
Cynthia did home dialysis in a Portakabin at home for fifteen years and then switched to CAPD.
Oh.
We had a farm on the fen, the fens in [county]. And I had this Portakabin, my kidney machine was in the Portakabin outside the bungalow we had. Yeah. And my husband worked a long day on the farm, and then he used to - he was trained as my nurse.
Yeah.
And helped me. Was quite stressful, really. Yeah.
Yeah, it was like a little hospital ward. Yeah. Nowadays the kidneys are tiny, they're like little torches. But this was huge. And we used to put membranes in between boards. ‘Kiln kidneys’, they were called, I think. And we had to build them. So it was quite a complicated thing years ago.
Yes, that was home dialysis. And then I went onto CAPD.
Ah.
Which is the bag, bag method. And I loved it.
Okay.
Yeah, because no more needles. And I would do bag exchanges, four a day. And I would just fit them around my life. I mean, you know, I would - do exchanges in the car park. Put the bag on top of the car, and it would drain out, down on the floor, a clean bag.
You know? And I loved it. And, I was on that for five years. Kevin used to go rock climbing with friends during dialysis and was glad they weren’t ‘overly sympathetic’.
Kevin used to go rock climbing with friends during dialysis and was glad they weren’t ‘overly sympathetic’.
And so what I'd do would be, I would dialyse before we set off. I'd tape all my catheter up, to make sure it was pretty stable. And then - we'd go rock-climbing quite locally. We wouldn't go too far. And if we were gonna go out for the day, I'd just take a, like a dialysis fluid with me, and then stick it on the roof of the car. I've never told my nurse this, because she would have freaked. But just stick the dialysis bag on the top of the car. Dialyse cold. Usually you warm dialysis fluid up, so it's like body temperature before you put it in. But it's cold when you put it in and you haven't warmed it up, you do know it. But it was that, or stay at home. So I wasn't gonna stay at home. So yeah, just dialyse in the car, and then go and do some more climbing, and then go home.Paul and Christine said it was nerve-wracking when Paul did dialysis abroad on their family holidays.
Paul and Christine said it was nerve-wracking when Paul did dialysis abroad on their family holidays.
Paul: Very nerve-wracking.
Christine: You know? For all of us, to think about flying somewhere abroad and we've got to dialysis units where there's perhaps not been a lot of English spoken, and things. So, you know, when you think of something like a dialysis session. But we have got –
Paul: It's been fun. It's been good fun, some of it.
Christine: We've, we've done it. We've, we've meet some fabulous people, haven't we really, in the dialysis units abroad.
Paul: The doctors and nurses, brilliant.
Christine: But it's been, you know, a bit scary at times. Not that anything has gone wrong. Nothing has ever gone wrong. But the whole experience, you sort of have to override it, and enjoy the holiday, you know?
Paul: I think it's just –
Emma: And you have to come off the transplant list.
Christine: Yeah, and you have to come off the transplant list while you're abroad.
Paul: Yeah.
Christine: Because obviously you can't get back.
Paul: But I mean, it's just the build-up to that first session, more than anything. Arriving, and wondering what the unit actually looks like, although you've seen some photographs of the inside, and things like that.
Christine: Mmm.
Paul: And what machines they've got, yeah. But to arrive, and who you're gonna be talking to, what they're gonna be like, and what's the unit gonna be like? Are they gonna be friendly? Can Christine come and sit with me for the first few sessions? And that sort of thing, you know? Just to have someone there, a bit of support. It is very nervous, very nerve-wracking. And particularly when we arrived in Italy, and we were walking towards the dialysis unit, and it's just this old run-down building with this old lady, Italian lady, leaning out the window, wasn't it, with her washing hanging out. And we're like 'oh no, what have we come to?' But we actually went round a corner, and it was quite a modern building, and it was –
Christine: [laughing] Had we got enough, had we got enough time to get back on a plane to England, for another dialysis, for the next dialysis session?
Paul: [laughing] But it was –
Christine: But it's always worked out.
Paul: Yeah. And once we got in there, they were - they were absolutely brilliant. And I mean, nothing against our dialysis units, but the Turkey ones were so much more efficient. Yeah. Yeah.Robin explains how he managed to travel for work while on dialysis.
Robin explains how he managed to travel for work while on dialysis.
So how did you find out about that machine? It’s called AP?
APD.
APD.
It’s Automated Peritoneal Dialysis. I, the hospital would have introduced me to it and I’m. I’m glad to say at the time I started using it again it was a relatively new technique. I’m going back 20 years now, yeah probably. And so there weren’t that many of these things around but the fact that I was working fulltime and it would have benefitted me to be able to keep my job going fully, you know I was fortunate enough to get one of these things. So it doesn’t do a lot for your stress levels if you’re two or three thousand miles away and the machine packs up which can happen or you know, it doesn’t come off the conveyor belt at the airport, these sorts of things can give you a little bit of a heeby jeebies but it, on the whole very successful.Steve was able to work from home around his dialysis and transplantation.
Steve was able to work from home around his dialysis and transplantation.
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