Interview 09
Age at interview: 35
Age at diagnosis: 17
Brief Outline: Since 1995 has undergone a recovery which has involved therapy (systemic consultation) as well as learning social skills, engaging in enjoyable activities, and involvement in self-help groups.
Background: A computer technician, who has been depressed for most of his life. There was conflict and early loss in his family, and he has not responded to medication. (Played by an actor.)
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Lacked joy and was lonely, needy and despairing when depressed, and felt that people could tell...
Lacked joy and was lonely, needy and despairing when depressed, and felt that people could tell...
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I think people could tell from just the way I was looking, the way I, not looking after myself, the fact that I spoke in a low monotone. The, my posture, I tended to stoop and just looked generally dishevelled and not at all, not really able to cope, actually, quite despairing.
Despairing of being able to do something for myself, despairing of ever being anything myself, despairing of being normal which, you know partly, I would like to'.
Liked the therapy approach called 'systemic consultation', which attempted to understand his...
Liked the therapy approach called 'systemic consultation', which attempted to understand his...
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And I was also welcome to bring along other people, friends and my brother on one occasion. And that had the idea of' unlike the private therapist, I didn't feel there was any danger that she might'. that they might be keeping me for longer than I needed, or giving me more attention than I needed.
I felt like they could see that I was a person in need, and I needed to come and talk things through. And, basically, they made an effort to try and understand me, and try to see things from my point of view, and slowly' possibly to put a more positive spin on it. They tended to use a few cognitive techniques.
In cognitive therapy you're given homework to do. I wasn't, but they did make suggestions about things I might concentrate on. And I think, by that stage, by 1995, I had put a lot of it together for myself and I really needed a bit more help getting reassurance that I was getting there, and help in putting the pieces together. In trying to develop my social skills a bit more, and maybe get out more, and just try a few things that were a bit more challenging, and I think they were quite encouraging, really.
They' it didn't'. it wasn't anything magical this time. I wasn't expecting them to be able to take what I've given them, and come up with a prescription in a sense, a cure. I think they focused on the real world a lot more, rather than some of the previous experiences I'd had where it was all talking about the past and my feelings and my sensation of being adrift and very miserable and talking about the depression itself.
Describes how his thinking was negative early on in life, but he only became aware of it when...
Describes how his thinking was negative early on in life, but he only became aware of it when...
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Says that you may only be able to tackle small activities when depressed, but you can progress to...
Says that you may only be able to tackle small activities when depressed, but you can progress to...
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And then I spent some time working on a farm, actually, which was quite good because there was the exercise and the fresh air, and there was also the camaraderie of other people who thought it was a crap job as well. So, you know'. not doing anything too demanding'.
It might almost seem common sense to people that if you distract yourself from some of these things, it might give a bit of relief. That actually in the long term, if you keep doing it, it's a good way of slowly coming out of depression. But yes, it might seem common sense, but it's not what you feel like doing all the time, not at all.
Was initially afraid to do many social things, but realised that he needed to take up life's...
Was initially afraid to do many social things, but realised that he needed to take up life's...
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Says that a newsletter had interesting ideas and information, as well as personal stories, which...
Says that a newsletter had interesting ideas and information, as well as personal stories, which...
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Talks about how his academic research into depression led to useful information, such as how his...
Talks about how his academic research into depression led to useful information, such as how his...
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Had a crisis of faith in Christianity where he did not feel a relationship with Jesus, and had...
Had a crisis of faith in Christianity where he did not feel a relationship with Jesus, and had...
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In what sense?
Well, Christianity has got some quite powerful symbols in it about redemption and death and somebody dying for your sins. And quite a strong feeling of sin, actually, of a feeling of blame or some, whether you can use the word 'stigma' in that context that attaches to somebody who's, who's somehow failed. But it also, you know, it's got a positive aspect to it as well, it's got the idea that one should be able to be guided by God's will if one reflects on it and reads on it and such like. And some people are supposed to be called by God, but I never felt that way you know, and I never really had this so-called personal relationship with Jesus that many, you know fervent Christians talk about.
I mean I had a conflict in my mind between science, which I felt I understood pretty well, and the Bible, and I was always trying to reconcile them. This is something I was doing, you know even as a kid, you know from the age of 11'. And from the age of 11 and, ultimately, it went down to the side of being a heathen, and not really worrying about being damned, because I don't even believe in things like sin any more. I find them to be very'. to be a very exacting kind of religion'
Was pleased to discover that members of his support group were sensitive, intelligent and...
Was pleased to discover that members of his support group were sensitive, intelligent and...
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And it was quite nice realising that these people did suffer from depression, and yet they were very intelligent and sensitive people. And you know, there's obviously no contradiction between the things but in fact, you know, you spend all that time feeling, looking at other people and I've felt I was worse than, you know, I felt I was'. and I felt I was missing something. I didn't have something that the rest of the human race had. But in fact, it turned out almost to be the opposite. That in fact, you know we have a certain sensitivity, I think, being depressed maybe.
Lowering expectations can be a way of feeling better about yourself.
Lowering expectations can be a way of feeling better about yourself.
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Realised that he would need to have his own values, since the world was fallible. (Played by an...
Realised that he would need to have his own values, since the world was fallible. (Played by an...
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What's important?
It's important to be good to each other, and be compassionate to each other, and it's important to let yourself have a good time and look after yourself.