Kidney health
The words doctors used to explain kidney impairment
The language that doctors used to tell people about their kidney impairment varied widely. A few people we spoke to had been told that their condition was referred to by doctors as Chronic Kidney Disease (CKD). The term ‘chronic’ is often misinterpreted as meaning serious whereas it actually means long-term. Some doctors prefer to think of kidney impairment as a risk factor for other conditions and a ‘barometer ‘of general health rather than as a disease, and therefore avoid using this label when talking to their patients.
Having only recently learned of his kidney disease, Eric finds it hard to understand how it can be referred to as ‘chronic’. This term also makes it sound more serious than it is.
Having only recently learned of his kidney disease, Eric finds it hard to understand how it can be referred to as ‘chronic’. This term also makes it sound more serious than it is.
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I couldn't understand how I could be described as having chronic kidney disease when it had only just been discovered. ‘Chronic’ to me means – well maybe mistakenly – that I've had it for a long, long time. But I've noticed that ‘chronic’ seems to be a word that a lot of medics use quite frequently and I'm not sure it actually applies in all circumstances, because other conditions I've had and got have been referred to as ‘chronic’ anaemia. I've never had any treatment for anaemia, like I've never had any treatment for kidneys, but they keep using this work ‘chronic’ and I think the word ‘chronic’ makes it sound worse that what it is, to me anyhow. My interpretation of ‘chronic’ is that it's bad and you've had it a long time, but I don't think that's the case.
Gerald had been told his kidney function was at level 3 out of 5, and was quite acceptable for his age.
Gerald had been told his kidney function was at level 3 out of 5, and was quite acceptable for his age.
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When there were five levels and there's one… one is obviously working at high efficiency; two just below and three is quite acceptable for someone of my age even though it has been damaged in the past. I mean in fact my GP said probably my kidneys are working as well as any other eighty year old so there was nothing to worry about. And apparently in the one, two, three, four, five system there are categories when you say well three is alright, then it doesn’t just go from three to four, there's a… it's three and I think, I can't remember the term he used, but there's three with another sort of possible effect, before I went into four and so he said three, for my age, was reasonably acceptable.
Russell’s GP usually tells him that his kidney test results are ‘all clear’ and doesn’t discuss them in detail with him.
Russell’s GP usually tells him that his kidney test results are ‘all clear’ and doesn’t discuss them in detail with him.
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He just says that it's either… if it was anything wrong he would tell me but he normally he says it's all clear.
But apart from that we don’t really discuss it too much we just… because if there's anything wrong he just does a referral.
And has he explained to you how your kidney function compares to other people’s?
No never no. No we haven’t had that information at all.
Now you’ve explained to me very well that you really trust your doctor and you're very happy with the medical team.
Mm
What we'd like to understand is, at what point would you want to be told about say specifically your kidney function, because I think I explained to you, it goes down with age anyway. When would you want to, your GP to tell you in more detail what was going on?
I haven’t got any qualms about that because what I- what I do know is that if there was anything going wrong he would tell me immediately.
My doctor would tell me immediately, he wouldn’t pull any punches about it, he'd just tell me and I don’t think that he would hold back on it.
Jackie learned her eGFR when she saw a letter written by her kidney specialist; before then she had been told she had the function of one and a quarter kidneys. Recently her function has reduced from 49 to 40 ‘percent’.
Jackie learned her eGFR when she saw a letter written by her kidney specialist; before then she had been told she had the function of one and a quarter kidneys. Recently her function has reduced from 49 to 40 ‘percent’.
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The only, it’s only been because of, in fact the first time I ever knew about the, it’s the G, is it the GNR?
GFR.
GFR. The first time I was really aware of that was when I moved house, not long after my husband and I got married, and that was to do with insurance, life insurance for the mortgage. And it was, for the first time it was weighted, they wanted to put this extra premium on, and that had never happened before. And I queried it, and that’s how I went back to the hospital. That was how I went back to the hospital, when I think about it. It was because, so I went to see my GP and said this this is what’s happening and the GP didn’t feel that he could respond to that and so wrote to the consultant I used to see prior to being transferred to primary care, and that’s when I went to see the consultant. And that’s when I was first prescribed the statin. And he sent a letter off to the insurance company and my GP, and I was copied into that letter. And that was the first time I was actually, aware, I had previously been told that I had about one and a quarter kidney function but that’s, I know that’s not a measurement, but that’s how it was described to me as someone who had one and a quarter kidney, although it’s both my kidneys that are damaged. That was the first time. And that’s how I know, how I knew it had gone down, and also I, well, yeah, how I knew it had gone down, when I moved more recently, from that that letter that actually stated what it was then.
So what was your latest reading? Do you remember?
I think it showed that I had about forty percent kidney function, which had gone down, I know when I’ve looked back, it had, it had gone down in recent years. It had been higher than that and it had been close, I think, to about forty nine percent.
Eric accepts his GP’s explanation that kidney function may decrease as you get older, because he is aware that other aspects of bodily function also decline with age.
Eric accepts his GP’s explanation that kidney function may decrease as you get older, because he is aware that other aspects of bodily function also decline with age.
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No I don't think I do.
Don't worry it's not a test [laughs].
No it's a… I think when I see my GP we've got a very good relationship and we tend to sit and discuss things rather than her telling me or me telling her what I want to do, although I'm quite forceful – if I think something should be done I will try and convince my GP to have it done for me, but we've got a very good relationship.
So how do you feel…sorry, carry on.
But as far as an explanation of why the kidneys aren't working perfectly, she did, most recently, tell me that kidney function decreases as you get older, and I accept that as being the case like everything else. You get older you lose your memory and things, but no, as far as someone saying it is because you have done something wrong in your past or something else is going wrong at the same time which is affecting your kidneys, I don't know, I don't know. But as I said before, if somebody hadn't told me I wouldn't know. I don't think I would know now.
Being told not to worry about slightly impaired kidney performance is clearly intended by health professionals to be reassuring. It was common for people to say that they had felt reassured that their kidney impairment was not something they should worry about at the present time. Reassurance came from knowing that their kidneys were still functioning sufficiently to not cause them any problems, that they were being regularly monitored and that their test results were satisfactory or stable, and by trusting their doctors when they told them they were not concerned.
Royston Y was reassured by a nurse that just because he was taking part in research about kidney health didn’t mean there was anything ‘wrong’ with his kidneys. He suggests that other people should not worry about kidney monitoring either unless there was
Royston Y was reassured by a nurse that just because he was taking part in research about kidney health didn’t mean there was anything ‘wrong’ with his kidneys. He suggests that other people should not worry about kidney monitoring either unless there was
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[mhm]
Yes.
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Because I did raise that point with the nurse at the, at, when I had that session.
And what was her response? Can you remember?
Well her response was, “It d-, it doesn’t imply that there is anything wrong with your kidneys. It was the question of because of your age it was useful to get some information about your general well-being”, and that sort of thing. And presumably from that they can come to some conclusions.
Okay, fine.
Do you have any message to other people who are having their kidney function monitored?
I would have said that it’s something that I don’t think anybody should really worry about too much because I think it’s to a person’s interest to know what the situation is and to find out if there might be a problem. And if there, is it treatable, can it be dealt with? But I don’t think people should be unduly worried. I was slightly concerned but I was reassured when I went and said that it, it doesn’t necessarily follow that because you’re being [clears throat] looked at or asked for an opinion that there is necessarily anything wrong.
Kath was told that as long as she kept off the drug that had caused her kidney impairment she should be able to live with it. She felt reassured that she could put this to one side and concentrate on other health problems.
Kath was told that as long as she kept off the drug that had caused her kidney impairment she should be able to live with it. She felt reassured that she could put this to one side and concentrate on other health problems.
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I asked about my GP about it and he said that I wasn’t to worry. It wasn’t very bad yet and as long as I kept off the medication, they didn’t see why I shouldn’t be able to just live with it.
When I moved down here I did sort of go into it a bit more and I was told that I’d got third stage kidney disease. And they gave me some figures, which I’ve since forgotten. I think it was something like sixty was normal and mine was forty something and if it got to thirty then they would do regular blood tests every month but it would it would have to get down to about ten before I needed kidney dialysis. So basically, it was not- not a lot to worry about.
And what did you make of that information? Did you find that reassuring?
Yes, I did. Yes as I think, well, that’s okay. I can put kidneys to one side for the time being and just concentrate on the arthritis, which is the main, my main concern health wise.
However, the explanation given, and being told not to worry, was not always enough to reassure people. This was more likely to be the case among people who felt a need for more information about the condition than they had been given or those who had had a family member with kidney failure. Xanthe and Anne said they had been told that they might need dialysis at some point in the future, and this may also have been intended to reassure them that treatment would be available if their kidney performance were to decrease to a dangerous level. However, they were shocked to hear the word ‘dialysis’ when they were first told of a decline in their kidney function.
For more about people’s reactions to the diagnosis see ‘Thoughts and feelings at diagnosis’.
Flo had been told that her kidneys were showing signs of wear and tear but not to worry. But she said that being told, ‘Don’t worry’, actually caused her to worry.
Flo had been told that her kidneys were showing signs of wear and tear but not to worry. But she said that being told, ‘Don’t worry’, actually caused her to worry.
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[Laughs] everything you could think of. You're wondering if it… previous to that they… I was called back a few years ago for a water sample again and I said, "What's wrong?" And the nurse said, "It could just be just one of those things, don’t worry about it, but we're just going to check and make sure." One of the results came through - because you wait a week and then you have to ring in for them - and she said, "You're back in range you're alright, don’t worry, we'll see you again in six months as usual." Oh that’s fine. But [sighs] …But when I queried it with the doctor he said, "It's alright don’t worry, you're getting older. …And your kidneys are the same age as you [laughs]; and they're working every day. And they're showing signs of a little bit of wear and tear – it's normal, don’t worry." Which means worry.
So you were- that worried you.
Yes it does because when somebody tells you, "Don’t worry it's alright, don’t worry," you think, 'Why is he telling me not to worry. And I am worried now,' because it's nothing, that you're not expecting it and it isn’t normal.
So what kinds of concerns and questions did you have at the time? So this is four years ago now, or three years ago right?
Three years ago. Well I just said, "Well what's going on, what's happening?" and he just said, "You're leaking, you're leaking some protein; don’t worry about it. You'll see a consultant and we'll take it on from there."
Ken thinks that after being told they have a chronic condition people should be told about it in more detail by their doctor, but realises that the patient could also go back to ask questions later.
Ken thinks that after being told they have a chronic condition people should be told about it in more detail by their doctor, but realises that the patient could also go back to ask questions later.
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Yeah, make sure, you know, they communicate what they can, you know - about the disease. It may well be that my condition is not that serious yet, you know, but then it's nice to know if, once they tell you you’ve got a chronic kidney disease, it's nice to know a little bit more about it I think, that’s the only message. And I know it's a two way process that - I could find out myself.
Find out for yourself not by talking to the GP, you mean by other things?
Yeah I could. No I could also go back and see my GP and say, "Look you’ve told me I've got this, you know, can you explain a little bit more about it?"
At the moment you're in a state where you're not worried because they’ve told you so little?...
That’s right
Tina suggests that doctors should listen to their patients more and ask them how they are feeling about their health problems or what they’ve been told.
Tina suggests that doctors should listen to their patients more and ask them how they are feeling about their health problems or what they’ve been told.
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Listen to your patients. You know, they’re quick, they’re trained to be medical people and tell us the facts, but also have an ear for how your patients are, and listen, really listen to them because it makes a difference, you know, if you go into a consultant’s room and they’re just going to say, “You’ve dropped from this to that and we’re going to put you on this.” But not, “How are you?”
To deal with any condition, with a mental awareness issue, put it that way… is good. If it, if they cannot just look at what you’re experiencing but, “How’re you feeling about that?” It makes a big difference.
Sarah learned about her CKD in a casual GP appointment where time was limited and she did not feel reassured. She would have liked the GP to suggest a follow-up consultation to discuss it in more detail.
Sarah learned about her CKD in a casual GP appointment where time was limited and she did not feel reassured. She would have liked the GP to suggest a follow-up consultation to discuss it in more detail.
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That’s right. So I think the response perhaps should be, ‘Yes I can understand that you are worried but we will keep an eye on you and there are certain things that we can do. So I haven’t got much time now, so how about making a proper appointment and we’ll talk it through and then we will see perhaps about getting you some regular blood checks or something like that. And then I wouldn’t have gone home thinking, ‘No I am not reassured. I would have thought, right well let’s think of the next appointment. I must find out about this and then I can ask some questions and see what the plan is for the future.
But it is very difficult for GPs if they have got short appointments, which most of them have, particularly if it’s a casual surgery. They’ve got, there were hundreds of people pouring in for casual surgery, a few doctors to see all these patients within an hour, so it is very hard for them. But I think that’s, maybe if I had been a GP, or maybe you can’t do that with all the patients, otherwise you’d be working day and night, but I think I would have suggested another appointment a few days later or when convenient and then talk it over.
Last reviewed August 2017.
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